From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Bryan Donlan <bdonlan@gmail.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Michael Stone <michael@laptop.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
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Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
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"C. Scott Ananian" <cscott@cscott.net>,
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Am?rico Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
Samir Bellabes <sam@synack.fr>,
Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:08:15 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091229060815.GA25125@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e8340490912281333l1459f769yf621a36ad1ed6482@mail.gmail.com>
Quoting Bryan Donlan (bdonlan@gmail.com):
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> > On Mon 2009-12-28 09:37:24, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:10:06 +0100, Pavel Machek said:
> >>
> >> > a) make disablenetwork reset to "enablenetwork" during setuid exec
> >>
> >> That won't work either. If you only make it 'setuid==0' binaries, you still
> >> break 'setuid-FOO' binaries that require the net. If you just check the setuid
> >> bit, it allows a trivial escape by creating a setuid-yourself binary and using
> >> that to exec something else (now with network access, because we apparently
> >> don't have a way to remember the previous setting).
> >
> >
> > it is really only required for binaries setuid to someone else, but
> > that would be too ugly. (Plus, as someone said, ping is great for
> > leaking data out.)
>
> No, this is not sufficient; one needs only to find a setuid process
> that can be convinced to run a program with the original (pre-suid)
> privileges. For example, one could invoke gpg (older versions setuid
> so it can lock memory, executes user code for the passphrase input
> agent) or pulseaudio (in some cases setuid to go realtime, loads user
> plugins) or screen (setuid for sharing sessions, obviously executes
> user programs) or at/cron (did you remember to deny access to these?)
> ...
>
> Or one can target a non-root setuid program that may have security
> holes - how about nethack?
>
> While in modern distros these uses of setuid may be rare, they can
> exist, and under the old security model they were safe. Not so
> anymore. As such, re-enabling network access upon executing a setuid
> program is not acceptable.
>
> That said, I do feel this is a separate issue. The process should
> first drop its ability to suid; then it can freely apply additional
> restrictions without there being any risk of breaking setuid
> applications.
>
> In short, how does this sound:
> * Add an API to allow processes to permanently revoke their own
> ability to gain privileges from setuid-exec
Well, this is possible now, but requires privilege: Remove
any bit not in pP from the bounding set.
Removing the requirement for privilege to do so has some conerns. Do we
force a task to then run with absolutely no capabilities, or can it just
stop itself from gaining new ones? If the latter, then we are close to
re-raising the sendmail-capabilities bug. The main difference would be
that you must already have the capbilities you want to keep, but I'm
not convinced that's sufficient.
A function which can be called without privilege, which empties out
all capability sets and the bounding set, that may be safe. Still might
cause a setuid-root app which is running as root but with no privilege
to be confused and mess up the system...
> * Add this disablenetwork facility, conditional on dropping
> setuid-exec abilities
>
> This also paves the way for:
> * Allow processes that have dropped said suid ability to freely create
> new namespaces (and chroot)
>
> Which, combined with doing whatever audits are necessary to allow
> cross-network-namespace uses of unix domain sockets, actually
> eliminates the need for the disablenetwork API. :)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-29 6:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-27 1:04 RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] Security: Add disablenetwork interface. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 3:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-28 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 1:21 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 5:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 7:53 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-29 1:25 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-30 18:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 1:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-30 18:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 14:31 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:11 ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:16 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:44 ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:54 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:58 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:40 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 1:07 ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-01-11 1:45 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 17:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12 6:10 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 15:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 9:23 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 15:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:36 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20100114171309.GA6372@heat>
2010-01-14 17:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15 8:10 ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` disablenetwork (v5): Remove a TOCTTOU race by passing flags by value Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` disablenetwork (v5): Simplify the disablenetwork sendmsg hook Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:13 ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable disablenetwork Michael Stone
2010-01-17 2:58 ` Andrew G. Morgan
[not found] ` <20100117044825.GA2712@heat>
2010-01-17 4:58 ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 19:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15 8:13 ` disablenetwork (v5): Update documentation for PR_NETWORK_ENABLE_DN Michael Stone
2010-01-17 6:01 ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <20100117180728.GA2848@heat>
2010-01-17 21:17 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-11 1:46 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Casey Schaufler
2010-01-12 3:19 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12 4:01 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 12:01 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 2:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12 7:59 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 14:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-14 9:22 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-18 12:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-18 15:56 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-10 22:18 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-10 23:08 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:41 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 1:50 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 2:15 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 11:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:58 ` James Morris
2009-12-27 1:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] Security: Document disablenetwork. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:39 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 16:25 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 8:36 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 8:38 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 11:49 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 12:18 ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 15:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 15:47 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 16:12 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 16:36 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 18:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 6:07 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 10:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 14:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 20:55 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 21:33 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 6:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2010-01-01 15:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 5:01 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 5:56 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 11:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 15:11 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:05 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 16:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 17:01 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 19:08 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:27 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 22:16 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 20:10 ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:43 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:11 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:14 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 22:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 3:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 4:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:35 ` [RFC][PATCH] Unprivileged: Disable acquisition of privileges Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:54 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 4:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 4:57 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 12:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49 ` [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 14:52 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 18:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:17 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 23:00 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 2:44 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 18:20 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 14:43 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 16:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 21:35 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 22:39 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 23:18 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-02 0:42 ` Peter Dolding
[not found] ` <4B3FB0FC.3030809@schaufler-ca.com>
2010-01-03 1:43 ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 18:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 21:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 21:17 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 14:57 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 8:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 13:00 ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 14:08 ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 17:06 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 0:12 ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 10:28 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-31 15:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 16:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:29 ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:03 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 16:06 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-01 15:11 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 8:51 ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 11:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 12:45 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-27 15:55 ` Michael Stone
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