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From: Michael Stone <michael@laptop.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>, "David Lang" <david@lang.hm>,
	"Oliver Hartkopp" <socketcan@hartkopp.net>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	"Bryan Donlan" <bdonlan@gmail.com>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <zbr@ioremap.net>,
	"C. Scott Ananian" <cscott@cscott.net>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Bernie Innocenti" <bernie@codewiz.org>,
	"Mark Seaborn" <mrs@mythic-beasts.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	"Américo Wang" <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	"Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	"Samir Bellabes" <sam@synack.fr>,
	"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:31:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091229163104.GC14668@heat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091229055653.GB23714@us.ibm.com>

Serge Hallyn writes:
> Quoting Michael Stone (michael@laptop.org):
> So far, two defaults have been proposed:
> 
>   default-deny incompatible isolation (Pavel)
>   default-permit incompatible isolation (Michael)
> 
> So far, several signalling mechanisms have been proposed:
> 
>>   1) enabling a kernel config option implies default-permit
>> 
>>         - My favorite; apparently insufficient for Pavel?
>
> default under what conditions?  any setuid?  setuid-root?

My favorite option is that CONFIGURE_SECURITY_DISABLENETWORK causes
disablenetwork to function like djb describes: unprivileged and irrevocable.

(I don't have any setuid executables that I'm worried about breaking; only ones
that I think /should/ be broken and aren't, like ping.)

>   2) default-deny; disablesuid grants disablenetwork
> 
>         - "disablesuid" is my name for the idea of dropping the privilege of
>           exec'ing setuid binaries
> 
>         - Suggested by Pavel and supported by several others.
> 
>         - I think it has the same backwards-compatibility problem as
>           disablenetwork: disablesuid is an isolation primitive.
> 
>   3) default-deny; dropping a capability from the bounding set grants "permit"
> 
>         - Suggested by Serge; seems nicely fine-grained but rather indirect
> 
> Actually I think it's the opposite of what you said here:  so long as the
> capability is in pE, you can regain network.  So it would require a privileged
> process early on (like init or login) to remove the capability from the
> bounding set (bc doing so requires CAP_SETPCAP), but once that was done,
> the resulting process and it's children could not require the capability,
> and, without the capability, could not regain network.  Point being that
> privileged userspace had to actively allow userspace to trap a setuid root
> binary without networking.

What I wrote accurately (if confusingly; sorry!) reflects what you suggest: by
default, the kernel should deny processes from irrevocably dropping networking
privilege until signalled that this is acceptable by the privileged mechanism
of dropping your cap from the bounding set.

> I think during exec we can simply check for this capability in pE, and
> if present then re-enable network if turned off.  Then setuid-root binaries
> will raise that bit (if it's in the bounding set) automatically.  Now,
> that means setuid-nonroot binaries will not reset network.  Though you
> could make that happen by doing setcap cap_net_allownet+pe /the/file.
> Does that suffice?

I think I could live with it.

I find it weird that, if I call disablenetwork on a system *without* dropping
your capability, sendto(...) will fail but execve(['/bin/ping', '...']) will
succeed. 

Still, it will do what I need.

>>   4) default-deny; setting a sysctl implies permit
>> 
>>         - Suggested by Serge; works fine for me
>
>That still leaves the question of when we re-allow network.  Any
>setuid?

My intention was that prctl(PR_SET_NETWORK, PR_NETWORK_OFF) would return
-ENOTSUP or similar until the sysctl was enabled, at which point it would work
as I specified.

("As I specified" means one of "irrevocable" or "like rlimits; can be relaxed
by explicit action by privileged processes")

>> P.P.S. - On a completely unrelated note: imagine trying to use SELinux (or your
>> favorite MAC framework) to restrict the use of prctl(PR_SET_NETWORK,
>> PR_NETWORK_OFF). Am I right that sys_prctl() contains a
>> time-of-check-to-time-of-use (TOCTTOU) race (with security_task_prctl() as the
>> check and with prctl_set_network() as the use) as a result of the actual
>> argument being passed by address rather than by value?
>
> I'm probably misunderstanding your question, but just in case I'm not:  the
> answer is that you wouldn't use the prctl interface anyway.  You would strictly
> use domain transitions.  Instead of doing prctl(PR_SET_NETWORK, PR_NETWORK_OFF)
> you would move yourself from the user_u:user_r:network_allowed domain to the
> user_u:user_r:network_disallowed domain.

You misunderstood; sorry I wasn't more clear. :)

I was really saying:

   Suppose process A and process B create a share a memory segment containing an
   unsigned long pointed to by.

   unsigned long *flags;

   Can't process A call prctl(PR_SET_NETWORK, flags) while, on another
   processor, process B is twiddling bits in *flags so that

     security_task_prctl() sees the bits that process A wrote and
     prctl_set_network() sees the bits that process B wrote?

   i.e. isn't there a TOCTTOU race [1] here in every prctl option that uses a
   pointer argument? if not, what stops the race?

Regards,

Michael

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-of-check-to-time-of-use

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-29 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-27  1:04 RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] Security: Add disablenetwork interface. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  3:26   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-28 18:13     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  1:21       ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  7:53   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-29  1:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 10:09       ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-30 18:47   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27  1:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:20   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-30 18:50   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 14:31     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:11       ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:16         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:44           ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:54         ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:58           ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:40             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11  1:07               ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-01-11  1:45                 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 17:49                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12  6:10                     ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 15:52                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14  9:23                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 15:00                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:36                             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:47                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                 ` <20100114171309.GA6372@heat>
2010-01-14 17:36                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:10                                     ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Remove a TOCTTOU race by passing flags by value Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:12                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Simplify the disablenetwork sendmsg hook Michael Stone
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable disablenetwork Michael Stone
2010-01-17  2:58                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
     [not found]                                           ` <20100117044825.GA2712@heat>
2010-01-17  4:58                                             ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 19:30                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15  8:13                                       ` disablenetwork (v5): Update documentation for PR_NETWORK_ENABLE_DN Michael Stone
2010-01-17  6:01                                       ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Kyle Moffett
     [not found]                                         ` <20100117180728.GA2848@heat>
2010-01-17 21:17                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-11  1:46                 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Casey Schaufler
2010-01-12  3:19                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  4:01                     ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 12:01               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12  2:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12  7:59               ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 14:28                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-14  9:22                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-18 12:54                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-18 15:56                       ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-10 22:18           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-10 23:08             ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:41               ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11  1:50                 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11  2:15                   ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 11:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:58           ` James Morris
2009-12-27  1:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] Security: Document disablenetwork. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27  1:39   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 16:25     ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27  8:36 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27  8:38   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 11:49     ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 12:18       ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 15:03       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 15:47         ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 16:12           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 16:36             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 18:06               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 19:08         ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28  6:07           ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 10:10             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 14:37               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 20:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:28                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 21:33                   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29  6:08                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 15:06                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 16:31               ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 21:08                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:24                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 18:13           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29  5:01             ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29  5:56               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:31                 ` Michael Stone [this message]
2009-12-29 11:06               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 15:11                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:05                   ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 16:39                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 17:01                       ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 18:36                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 19:08                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:56                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:27                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:46                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 22:16                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 20:10                     ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:43                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:11                         ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:14                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:35                             ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:29                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 22:36                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  3:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:50                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30  4:29                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:00                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:12                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:35                               ` [RFC][PATCH] Unprivileged: Disable acquisition of privileges Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  3:54                                 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30  4:33                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30  4:57                                     ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 12:47                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49                                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 14:52                                         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 18:35                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:07                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:17                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:15                                                 ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:29                                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:36                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 23:00                                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  2:44                                                         ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 17:33                                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:52                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 18:20                                                               ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:32                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 14:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:53                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 16:26                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 21:35                                                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 22:39                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 23:18                                                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-02  0:42                                                                           ` Peter Dolding
     [not found]                                                                             ` <4B3FB0FC.3030809@schaufler-ca.com>
2010-01-03  1:43                                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 18:41                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 21:46                                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 21:17                                                                   ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 14:57                                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31  8:57                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 13:00                                                         ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 14:08                                                           ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 17:06                                                             ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01  0:12                                                               ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 10:28                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-31 15:25                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 16:48                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:29                                         ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:45                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:03                   ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 16:06                 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-01 15:11               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27  8:51   ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 11:23   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 12:45   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-27 15:55   ` Michael Stone

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