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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: kalle.valo@iki.fi
Cc: kaber@trash.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Network QoS support in applications
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:06:45 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100126.050645.184040277.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wrz5m3cd.fsf@purkki.valot.fi>

From: Kalle Valo <kalle.valo@iki.fi>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:56:50 +0200

> In my opinion we already now need a universal solution for the user
> space applications to classify their streams. Having a local solution
> doesn't get us far, people don't want to configure their laptops or
> phones, they just want to use them :)

And similarly your organization's administartion doesn't want to
prioritize bittorrent traffic a specific fixed way just because your
application sets some bits in the TOS field of it's packets.

Prioritization policies have no meaning outside of your local realm,
and that's just a fact of life.

So what typically happens is that applications do nothing.

And machines on the ingress to a network realm change the TOS based
field upon classification decisions made by parsing the packet by the
router/firewall/whatever.

The packet gets QoS treatment within the realm, but completely
determined by local policy within that realm.

And then on egress from the realm the TOS field has absolutely
no meaning at all to the next network segment.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-26 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-26  8:27 Network QoS support in applications Kalle Valo
     [not found] ` <87k4v5nuej.fsf-ySPBbPOLdCfMApvqMRVM/A@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-26 11:30   ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]     ` <4B5ED254.7010104-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-26 11:51       ` Kalle Valo
     [not found]         ` <877hr5nkx0.fsf-ySPBbPOLdCfMApvqMRVM/A@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-26 11:59           ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-26 12:16           ` David Miller
2010-01-26 12:56             ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 13:06               ` David Miller [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <20100126.050645.184040277.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-26 13:47                   ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 14:02                     ` Dunc
     [not found]                       ` <4B5EF5DF.2070005-9b9L1Hpe0sBAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-26 14:27                         ` Kalle Valo
     [not found]                           ` <87iqaplz5a.fsf-ySPBbPOLdCfMApvqMRVM/A@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-26 21:54                             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-01-27  7:11                               ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-27  1:57                       ` Zhu Yi
2010-01-27 13:24                       ` Benny Amorsen
2010-03-11 19:21                       ` Philip A. Prindeville
     [not found]                         ` <4B9942A7.40205-9z15yex7P+UJvtFkdXX2HpqQE7yCjDx5@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-11 19:27                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20100311.112754.142886660.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-11 19:29                               ` Philip A. Prindeville
2010-05-19  0:04                                 ` Philip A. Prindeville
     [not found]                                   ` <4BF32B2B.6010202-9z15yex7P+UJvtFkdXX2HpqQE7yCjDx5@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-31 19:30                                     ` Ben Gardiner
2010-05-31 20:28                                       ` Philip Prindeville
2010-01-26 14:43                     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
     [not found]               ` <87wrz5m3cd.fsf-ySPBbPOLdCfMApvqMRVM/A@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-26 13:06                 ` Henning Rogge
2010-01-27  6:59                   ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-26 15:29             ` Steven Blake
2010-01-27  7:03               ` Kalle Valo
2010-01-27 16:18 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-03-11 18:56 ` Philip A. Prindeville

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