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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Xin, Xiaohui" <xiaohui.xin@intel.com>
Cc: "netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@elte.hu" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"jdike@linux.intel.com" <jdike@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v4 00/18] Provide a zero-copy method on KVM virtio-net.
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 12:26:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100509092614.GG16775@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F2E9EB7348B8264F86B6AB8151CE2D790AB4A3F137@shsmsx502.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 03:55:48PM +0800, Xin, Xiaohui wrote:
> Michael,
> Sorry, somehow I missed this mail. :-(
> 
> >> Here, we have ever considered 2 ways to utilize the page constructor
> >> API to dispense the user buffers.
> >> 
> >> One:	Modify __alloc_skb() function a bit, it can only allocate a 
> >> 	structure of sk_buff, and the data pointer is pointing to a 
> >> 	user buffer which is coming from a page constructor API.
> >> 	Then the shinfo of the skb is also from guest.
> >> 	When packet is received from hardware, the skb->data is filled
> >> 	directly by h/w. What we have done is in this way.
> >> 
> >> 	Pros:	We can avoid any copy here.
> >> 	Cons:	Guest virtio-net driver needs to allocate skb as almost
> >> 		the same method with the host NIC drivers, say the size
> >> 		of netdev_alloc_skb() and the same reserved space in the
> >> 		head of skb. Many NIC drivers are the same with guest and
> >> 		ok for this. But some lastest NIC drivers reserves special
> >> 		room in skb head. To deal with it, we suggest to provide
> >> 		a method in guest virtio-net driver to ask for parameter
> >> 		we interest from the NIC driver when we know which device 
> >> 		we have bind to do zero-copy. Then we ask guest to do so.
> >> 		Is that reasonable?
> 
> >Do you still do this?
> 
> Currently, we still use the first way. But we now ignore the room which 
> host skb_reserve() required when device is doing zero-copy. Now we don't 
> taint guest virtio-net driver with a new method by this way.
> 
> >> Two:	Modify driver to get user buffer allocated from a page constructor
> >> 	API(to substitute alloc_page()), the user buffer are used as payload
> >> 	buffers and filled by h/w directly when packet is received. Driver
> >> 	should associate the pages with skb (skb_shinfo(skb)->frags). For 
> >> 	the head buffer side, let host allocates skb, and h/w fills it. 
> >> 	After that, the data filled in host skb header will be copied into
> >> 	guest header buffer which is submitted together with the payload buffer.
> >> 
> >> 	Pros:	We could less care the way how guest or host allocates their
> >> 		buffers.
> >> 	Cons:	We still need a bit copy here for the skb header.
> >> 
> >> We are not sure which way is the better here. This is the first thing we want
> >> to get comments from the community. We wish the modification to the network
> >> part will be generic which not used by vhost-net backend only, but a user
> >> application may use it as well when the zero-copy device may provides async
> >> read/write operations later.
> 
> >I commented on this in the past. Do you still want comments?
> 
> Now we continue with the first way and try to push it. But any comments about the two methods are still welcome.
> 
> >That's nice. The thing to do is probably to enable GSO/TSO
> >and see what we get this way. Also, mergeable buffer support
> >was recently posted and I hope to merge it for 2.6.35.
> >You might want to take a look.
> 
> I'm looking at the mergeable buffer. I think GSO/GRO support with zero-copy also needs it.
> Currently, GSO/TSO is still not supported by vhost-net?

GSO/TSO are currently supported with tap and macvtap,
AF_PACKET socket backend still needs some work to
enable GSO.

> -- 
> MST

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-09  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-25  9:19 [RFC][PATCH v4 01/18] Add a new struct for device to manipulate external buffer xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19 ` [RFC][PATCH v4 02/18] Export 2 func for device to assign/dassign new structure xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19   ` [RFC][PATCH v4 03/18] Add a ndo_mp_port_prep pointer to net_device_ops xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19     ` [RFC][PATCH v4 04/18] Add a function make external buffer owner to query capability xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19       ` [RFC][PATCH v4 05/18] Add a function to indicate if device use external buffer xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19         ` [RFC][PATCH v4 06/18] Add interface to get external buffers xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19           ` [RFC][PATCH v4 07/18] Make __alloc_skb() to get external buffer xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19             ` [RFC][PATCH v4 08/18] Ignore skb_reserve() when device is using " xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19               ` [RFC][PATCH v4 09/18] Don't do skb recycle, if device use " xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19                 ` [RFC][PATCH v4 10/18] Use callback to deal with skb_release_data() specially xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19                   ` [RFC][PATCH v4 11/18] Add a hook to intercept external buffers from NIC driver xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:19                     ` [RFC][PATCH v4 12/18] To skip GRO if buffer is external xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:20                       ` [RFC][PATCH v4 13/18] Add header file for mp device xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:20                         ` [RFC][PATCH v4 14/18] Add basic func and special ioctl to " xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:20                           ` [RFC][PATCH v4 15/18] Manipulate external buffers in " xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:20                             ` [RFC][PATCH v4 16/18] Export proto_ops to vhost-net driver xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:20                               ` [RFC][PATCH v4 17/18] Add a kconfig entry and make entry for mp device xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:20                                 ` [RFC][PATCH v4 18/18] Provides multiple submits and async notifications xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:20                                   ` [RFC][PATCH v4 00/18] Provide a zero-copy method on KVM virtio-net xiaohui.xin
2010-04-25  9:55                                     ` David Miller
2010-04-25 10:46                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-29  1:33                                         ` Xin, Xiaohui
2010-04-25 12:14                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-08  7:55                                       ` Xin, Xiaohui
2010-05-09  9:26                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-04-25  9:33         ` [RFC][PATCH v4 05/18] Add a function to indicate if device use external buffer Changli Gao
2010-04-25  9:51           ` David Miller
2010-04-25  9:35         ` Changli Gao
2010-04-25  9:51           ` David Miller
2010-04-29  1:38           ` Xin, Xiaohui
2010-04-26 20:06 ` [RFC][PATCH v4 01/18] Add a new struct for device to manipulate " Andy Fleming

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