From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: hagen@jauu.net
Cc: andi@firstfloor.org, therbert@google.com, shemminger@vyatta.com,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, ycheng@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp: Socket option to set congestion window
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:28:51 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100527.002851.02281005.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100527070827.GB2728@nuttenaction>
From: Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net>
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:08:27 +0200
> And by the way, the IETF (and our) paradigm is still to shift functionality to
> end hosts - not into network core. "The Rise of the stupid network" [1] is
> still a paradigm that is superior to the alternative where vendors put their
> proprietary algorithms into the network and change the behavior in a
> uncontrollable fashion.
Superior or not, it's simply never going to happen. We are far beyond
being able to get to where we were before NAT'ing and shaping devices
started to get inserted everywhere on the network.
And I also don't see any of this stuff as fundamentally proprietary.
People want deep packet inspection, people want to control their user's
traffic. And people, most importantly, are willing to pay for this.
Therefore, these elements will always be in the network.
Better to co-exist with them and use them to our advantage instead of
fantasizing about a utopia where they don't exist.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-27 7:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-26 5:01 [PATCH] tcp: Socket option to set congestion window Tom Herbert
2010-05-26 5:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-05-26 5:52 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 7:06 ` Tom Herbert
2010-05-26 7:33 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 17:33 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-26 17:41 ` Denys Fedorysychenko
2010-05-26 21:08 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 21:27 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-26 22:10 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 22:29 ` Rick Jones
2010-05-27 7:57 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-26 23:15 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-05-27 3:04 ` David Miller
2010-05-27 7:08 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-05-27 7:28 ` David Miller [this message]
2010-05-27 7:46 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-05-27 16:14 ` Tom Herbert
2010-05-27 18:56 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-27 19:19 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-05-27 8:00 ` Andi Kleen
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