From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Dmitri Vorobiev <dmitri.vorobiev@movial.com>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: Add an API to create a singlethread workqueue attached to the current task's cgroup
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:08:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100528150830.GB21880@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BFEE216.2070807@kernel.org>
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:20:22PM +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Michael.
>
> On 05/27/2010 07:32 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > Well, this is why I proposed adding a new API for creating
> > workqueue within workqueue.c, rather than exposing the task
> > and attaching it to cgroups in our driver: so that workqueue
> > maintainers can fix the implementation if it ever changes.
> >
> > And after all, it's an internal API, we can always change
> > it later if we need.
> ...
> > Well, yes but we are using APIs like flush_work etc. These are very
> > handy. It seems much easier than rolling our own queue on top of kthread.
>
> The thing is that this kind of one-off usage becomes problemetic when
> you're trying to change the implementation detail. All current
> workqueue users don't care which thread they run on and they shouldn't
> as each work owns the context only for the duration the work is
> executing. If this sort of fundamental guidelines are followed, the
> implementation can be improved in pretty much transparent way but when
> you start depending on specific implementation details, things become
> messy pretty quickly.
>
> If this type of usage were more common, adding proper way to account
> work usage according to cgroups would make sense but that's not the
> case here and I removed the only exception case recently while trying
> to implement cmwq and if this is added. So, this would be the only
> one which makes such extra assumptions in the whole kernel. One way
> or the other, workqueue needs to be improved and I don't really think
> adding the single exception at this point is a good idea.
>
> The thing I realized after stop_machine conversion was that there was
> no reason to use workqueue there at all. There already are more than
> enough not-too-difficult synchronization constructs and if you're
> using a thread for dedicated purposes, code complexity isn't that
> different either way. Plus, it would also be clearer that dedicated
> threads are required there for what reason. So, I strongly suggest
> using a kthread. If there are issues which are noticeably difficult
> to solve with kthread, we can definitely talk about that and think
> about things again.
>
> Thank you.
Well, we have create_singlethread_workqueue, right?
This is not very different ... is it?
Just copying structures and code from workqueue.c,
adding vhost_ in front of it will definitely work:
there is nothing magic about the workqueue library.
But this just involves cut and paste which might be best avoided.
One final idea before we go the cut and paste way: how about
'create_workqueue_from_task' that would get a thread and have workqueue
run there?
> --
> tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-28 15:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-19 0:04 [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: Add an API to create a singlethread workqueue attached to the current task's cgroup Sridhar Samudrala
2010-05-27 9:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 12:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-27 13:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 13:48 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-27 16:15 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-27 16:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 16:56 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-27 17:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 21:20 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-28 15:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-05-28 15:54 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-30 11:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 20:24 ` [PATCH 1/3] vhost: replace vhost_workqueue with per-vhost kthread Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 14:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 15:07 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 15:31 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-05-31 15:38 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 15:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-31 15:45 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 16:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 9:34 ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-02 18:40 ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-06-02 21:34 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-22 15:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-22 21:21 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-24 19:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-25 7:41 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-25 10:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 15:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 15:34 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 15:46 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 15:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 15:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 16:05 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:14 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 18:51 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 19:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27 8:18 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 19:14 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 19:31 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 19:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27 19:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-28 7:48 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-28 10:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-28 12:00 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 16:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 16:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 19:04 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-26 20:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27 8:21 ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 9:34 ` [PATCH 2/3] cgroups: Add an API to attach a task to current task's cgroup Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 9:35 ` [PATCH 3/3] vhost: apply cpumask and cgroup to vhost workers Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 10:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 10:56 ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 17:19 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-06-01 23:59 ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-01 14:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] vhost: replace vhost_workqueue with per-vhost kthread Paul E. McKenney
2010-05-30 20:24 ` [PATCH 2/3] cgroups: Add an API to attach a task to current task's cgroup Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 1:07 ` Li Zefan
2010-05-31 7:00 ` Tejun Heo
2010-05-30 20:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] vhost: apply cpumask and cgroup to vhost pollers Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 1:11 ` Li Zefan
2010-05-31 6:58 ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-05-31 7:48 ` Li Zefan
2010-05-31 10:20 ` [PATCH UPDATED2 " Tejun Heo
2010-06-24 8:11 ` [PATCH " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-24 22:45 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-06-25 10:10 ` [PATCH] sched: export sched_set/getaffinity (was Re: [PATCH 3/3] vhost: apply cpumask and cgroup to vhost pollers) Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 11:07 ` [PATCH repost] sched: export sched_set/getaffinity to modules Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 11:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 11:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 11:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 12:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 12:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 12:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 13:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 13:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 13:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 13:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 14:27 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-01 14:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-01 14:53 ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-01 14:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-02 18:01 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-02 18:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-02 21:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-04 9:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-13 6:59 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-13 11:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-14 23:26 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-15 0:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-15 5:29 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-26 17:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 17:51 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-07-26 18:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-26 19:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-26 20:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-27 4:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-08-04 10:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-27 15:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-30 14:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-30 14:31 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-01 8:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-08-02 15:02 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-01 14:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-07-01 12:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 12:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-07-01 13:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-01 13:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 16:24 ` [PATCH 2/3] workqueue: Add an API to create a singlethread workqueue attached to the current task's cgroup Sridhar Samudrala
2010-05-27 16:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-27 17:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
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