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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	therbert@google.com, eric.dumazet@gmail.com,
	shemminger@vyatta.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xps-mq: Transmit Packet Steering for multiqueue
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:24:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100919172451.GA12878@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1284673961.2283.57.camel@achroite.uk.solarflarecom.com>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:52:41PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 18:32 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:24:18 -0700
> > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> 3) Eventually have a user selectable selection (socket option, or system
> > >> wide, but one sysctl, not many bitmasks ;) ).
> > >>
> > > Right, but it would also be nice if a single sysctl could optimally
> > > set up multiqueue, RSS, RPS, and all my interrupt affinities for me
> > > ;-)
> > 
> > It's becomming increasingly obvious to me that we need (somewhere,
> > not necessarily the kernel) a complete datastructure representing
> > the NUMA, cache, cpu, device hierarchy.
> 
> And ideally a cheap way (not O(N^2)) to find the distance between 2 CPU
> threads (not just nodes).
> 
> > And that can be used to tweak all of this stuff.
> > 
> > The policy should probably be in userspace, we just need to provide
> > the knobs in the kernel to tweak it however userspace wants.
> > 
> > Userspace should be able to, for example, move a TX queue into a
> > NUMA domain and have this invoke several side effects:
> > 
> > 1) IRQs for that TX queue get rerouted to a cpu in the NUMA
> >    domain.
> > 
> > 2) TX queue datastructures in the driver get reallocated using
> >    memory in that NUMA domain.
> 
> I've actually done some work on an interface and implementation of this,
> although I didn't include actually setting the IRQ affinity as there has
> been pushback whenever people propose letting drivers set this.  If they
> only do so as directed by the administrator this might be more
> acceptable though.
> 
> Unfortunately in my limited testing on a 2-node system I didn't see a
> whole lot of improvement in performance when the affinities were all
> lined up.  I should try to get some time on a 4-node system.

I've been trying to look into this as well.
It'd be very interesting to see the patches even if they don't show
good performance.  Could you post them?


> > 3) TX hashing is configured to use the set of cpus in the NUMA
> >    domain.
> > 
> > It's alot of tedious work and involves some delicate tasks figuring
> > out where each of these things go, but really then we'd solve all
> > of this crap one and for all.
> 
> Right.
> 
> The other thing I've been working on lately which sort of ties into this
> is hardware acceleration of Receive Flow Steering.  Multiqueue NICs such
> as ours tend to have RX flow filters as well as hashing.  So why not use
> those to do a first level of steering?  We're going to do some more
> internal testing and review but I hope to send out a first version of
> this next week.
> 
> Ben.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-19 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-23  5:39 [PATCH] xps-mq: Transmit Packet Steering for multiqueue Tom Herbert
2010-08-23 17:09 ` Ben Hutchings
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinST5zaS0NtBjrzyLbsg=w_EVsHE3DCDcrmQNc6@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-23 17:50     ` Ben Hutchings
2010-08-23 17:59 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-09-01 15:41   ` Tom Herbert
2010-09-01 15:54     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-09-01 16:24       ` Tom Herbert
2010-09-02  1:32         ` David Miller
2010-09-02  1:48           ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-09-02 16:00             ` Loke, Chetan
2010-09-02 19:52               ` Tom Herbert
2010-09-02 23:17                 ` Loke, Chetan
2010-09-02  1:56           ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-09-02  6:41             ` Greg Lindahl
2010-09-02 16:18             ` Loke, Chetan
2010-09-02 15:55           ` Loke, Chetan
2010-09-16 21:52           ` Ben Hutchings
2010-09-19 17:24             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-09-20 12:44               ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] IRQ: Add irq_get_numa_node() Ben Hutchings
2010-09-20 13:04                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-09-20 12:45               ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] ethtool: NUMA affinity control Ben Hutchings
2010-09-20 12:48               ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] sfc: Add support for " Ben Hutchings
2011-02-21 18:19           ` [PATCH] xps-mq: Transmit Packet Steering for multiqueue Ben Hutchings
2011-02-21 19:31             ` Jeremy Eder
2011-02-26  7:09             ` David Miller
2010-09-01 16:09     ` David Miller
2010-08-24  4:31 ` Bill Fink
2010-08-24  4:37   ` Tom Herbert

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