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From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
To: Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>
Cc: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, allan.stephens@windriver.com,
	Jon Maloy <jon.maloy@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] tipc: cleanup function namespace
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:33:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101014113320.7720828f@nehalam> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CB74391.9020400@windriver.com>

On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:53:21 -0400
Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com> wrote:

> On 10-10-13 09:29 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 08:23:24PM -0400, Paul Gortmaker wrote:
> >> On 10-10-13 07:20 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> >>> Do some cleanups of TIPC based on make namespacecheck
> >>>     1. Don't export unused symbols
> >>>     2. Eliminate dead code
> >>>     3. Make functions and variables local
> >>>     4. Rename buf_acquire to tipc_buf_acquire since it is used in several files
> >>>
> >>> Compile tested only.
> >>> This make break out of tree kernel modules that depend on TIPC routines.
> >>
> >> Hi Stephen,
> >>
> >> When I first started looking at TIPC code, I too came to the
> >> same conclusion as you did and was about to do #1,2,3 -- but
> >> then I was told that the exported symbols were part of an API
> >> and might be in use by folks here and there as per this thread:
> >>
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/netdev@vger.kernel.org/msg30208.html
> >>
> > I think its telling the the argument in the above thread for keeping the API
> > were that users of it were out there and 'likely to contribute' in the future.
> > That thread was 3 years ago.  They might be using the API from outside the
> > kernel tree, but they're not planning on contributing.  As Christoph noted,
> > they're freeloaders.  The community really doesn't need or want to maintain an
> > API like that.  If these users are your customers, and removing the API is
> > unacceptable, perhaps its time to move the entire TIPC module out of tree.
> 
> As I'd said -- I don't know what the use cases of these API users are,
> and so as far as I know they aren't customers either.  For what it is
> worth, know that I personally wouldn't try and use a business case to
> justify a technically wrong decision here on netdev anyway.
> 
> I was just describing the history of the situation, and suggesting
> one possible slower approach of phasing it out as a courtesy to those
> users, in the same way that the kernel community has extended that
> same courtesy with other things in feature-removal.txt
> 
> In the end, since Jon is OK with the removal, and is in the process of
> communicating this to the API users he is aware of, I sure don't have
> any reason to try and save the API.  If folks are good with having it
> just go away overnight, then great -- I'll be just as happy to see it
> disappear as you and Stephen.  So, a long winded way of saying...
> 
> Acked-by: Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>

How about putting an entry in feature-removal.txt with a short (6 month)
window?


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-14 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-13  0:25 [PATCH net-next 1/5] tipc: Enhance enabling and disabling of Ethernet bearers Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-13  0:25 ` [PATCH net-next 2/5] tipc: Simplify bearer shutdown logic Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-13 14:39   ` Neil Horman
2010-10-14 23:58     ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-15 10:48       ` Neil Horman
2010-10-13  0:25 ` [PATCH net-next 3/5] tipc: Optimizations to bearer enabling logic Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-13 14:58   ` Neil Horman
2010-10-15  1:11     ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-15 11:00       ` Neil Horman
2010-10-15 21:31         ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-18 10:50           ` Neil Horman
2010-10-18 21:43             ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-18 23:59               ` Neil Horman
2010-10-21 11:31               ` David Miller
2010-10-13  0:25 ` [PATCH net-next 4/5] tipc: Rework data structures that track neighboring nodes and links Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-13 16:24   ` Neil Horman
2010-10-13  0:25 ` [PATCH net-next 5/5] tipc: clean out all instances of #if 0'd unused code Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-13 16:26   ` Neil Horman
2010-10-13 17:08     ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-13 17:23       ` Neil Horman
2010-10-13 21:28       ` David Miller
2010-10-13 23:20         ` [PATCH net-next] tipc: cleanup function namespace Stephen Hemminger
2010-10-14  0:23           ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-14  0:32             ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-10-14  1:29             ` Neil Horman
2010-10-14 17:53               ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-14 18:33                 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2010-10-14 19:49                   ` Jon Maloy
2010-10-14 21:44                   ` Paul Gortmaker
2010-10-14 22:13                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-10-15 11:01                       ` Neil Horman
2010-10-15 16:59                         ` Jon Maloy
2010-10-14 13:31           ` Jon Maloy
2010-10-16 18:56           ` David Miller
2010-10-13 13:42 ` [PATCH net-next 1/5] tipc: Enhance enabling and disabling of Ethernet bearers Neil Horman

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