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* 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing
@ 2010-10-25  9:22 Denys Fedoryshchenko
  2010-10-28  7:05 ` Jarek Poplawski
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Denys Fedoryshchenko @ 2010-10-25  9:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thomas Gleixner, Paul Mackerras, linux-kernel, netdev

Hi

Here is what i got from netconsole
 [  259.238755] BUG: unable to handle kernel 
 paging request
 at f8ba001c
 [  259.238953] IP:
 [<c0199ebe>] do_select+0x2cc/0x502
 [  259.239008] *pdpt = 0000000000a55001 
 *pde = 0000000036dd6067 
 *pte = 0000000000000000 
 
 [  259.239008] Oops: 0000 [#1] 
 SMP 
 
 [  259.239008] last sysfs file: /sys/devices/pnp0/00:02/rtc/rtc0/dev
 [  259.239008] Modules linked in:
 rtc_cmos
 rtc_core
 rtc_lib
 act_skbedit
 sch_ingress
 sch_prio
 
 configfs
 cls_flow
 cls_u32
 em_meta
 cls_basic
 xt_dscp
 ipt_REJECT
 ts_bm
 xt_string
 xt_hl
 ifb
 cls_fw
 sch_tbf
 sch_htb
 act_ipt
 act_mirred
 pppoe
 pppox
 ppp_generic
 slhc
 ipt_REDIRECT
 ipt_MASQUERADE
 xt_TCPMSS
 xt_DSCP
 xt_mark
 xt_tcpudp
 iptable_mangle
 iptable_nat
 nf_nat
 nf_conntrack_ipv4
 nf_conntrack
 nf_defrag_ipv4
 iptable_filter
 ip_tables
 x_tables
 8021q
 garp
 stp
 llc
 loop
 usb_storage
 iTCO_wdt
 iTCO_vendor_support
 ata_generic
 pata_acpi
 ata_piix
 libata
 8139cp
 sr_mod
 cdrom
 tulip
 r8169
 sky2
 via_velocity
 via_rhine
 sis900
 ne2k_pci
 8390
 skge
 tg3
 libphy
 8139too
 e1000
 e100
 usbhid
 ohci_hcd
 uhci_hcd
 ehci_hcd
 usbcore
 nls_base
 
 [  259.239008] 
 [  259.239008] Pid: 3307, comm: pppd Not tainted 2.6.36-build-0053 #14 
D915GAV                        /        
 [  259.239008] EIP: 0060:[<c0199ebe>] EFLAGS: 00010286 CPU: 0
 [  259.239008] EIP is at do_select+0x2cc/0x502
 [  259.239008] EAX: f610a600 EBX: 00000080 ECX: f8ba0000 EDX: f60f1808
 [  259.239008] ESI: 00000000 EDI: f610a600 EBP: f60eae4c ESP: f60eab64
 [  259.239008]  DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS: 0033 SS: 0068
 [  259.239008] Process pppd (pid: 3307, ti=f60ea000 task=f66a0000 
task.ti=f60ea000)
 [  259.239008] Stack:
 [  259.239008]  0e95bb42
 0000003d
 000000d0
 00000000
 f60eaf60
 f66a0000
 f60eae6c
 f60eae70
 
 [  259.239008] <0>
 f60eae74
 f60eae60
 f60eae64
 f60eae68
 00000180
 00000020
 010eabdc
 002dc698
 
 [  259.239008] <0>
 f60eae34
 00000180
 00000000
 00000180
 00000000
 00000000
 00000000
 00000000
 
 [  259.239008] Call Trace:
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a484>] ? __pollwait+0x0/0xa5
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a529>] ? pollwake+0x0/0x63
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a529>] ? pollwake+0x0/0x63
 [  259.239008]  [<c0143f37>] ? sched_clock_local+0x17/0x13d
 [  259.239008]  [<c0122ac4>] ? update_curr+0x84/0x15c
 [  259.239008]  [<c011f5a3>] ? kmap_atomic_prot+0xe1/0xe3
 [  259.239008]  [<c0143f37>] ? sched_clock_local+0x17/0x13d
 [  259.239008]  [<c02044ee>] ? put_dec+0x2a/0x74
 [  259.239008]  [<c0204689>] ? number+0x151/0x223
 [  259.239008]  [<c012461f>] ? dequeue_task_fair+0x283/0x28b
 [  259.239008]  [<c0123845>] ? __dequeue_entity+0x23/0x27
 [  259.239008]  [<c01238d6>] ? set_next_entity+0x8d/0xf7
 [  259.239008]  [<c012889c>] ? finish_task_switch+0x33/0x7a
 [  259.239008]  [<c02f931c>] ? schedule+0x5c0/0x5ff
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a208>] ? core_sys_select+0x114/0x190
 [  259.239008]  [<c015ce1c>] ? call_rcu_sched+0xd/0xf
 [  259.239008]  [<c015ce26>] ? call_rcu+0x8/0xa
 [  259.239008]  [<c012f80b>] ? release_task+0x28d/0x29d
 [  259.239008]  [<c012fc80>] ? wait_consider_task+0x465/0x7b7
 [  259.239008]  [<c013fa7f>] ? spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x8/0xa
 [  259.239008]  [<c013fc10>] ? remove_wait_queue+0x31/0x36
 [  259.239008]  [<f8bacff1>] ? ppp_read+0x101/0x145 [ppp_generic]
 [  259.239008]  [<c0145ceb>] ? timekeeping_get_ns+0x11/0x4f
 [  259.239008]  [<c014688a>] ? ktime_get_ts+0x89/0x93
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a42e>] ? sys_select+0x68/0x84
 [  259.239008]  [<c02fa625>] ? syscall_call+0x7/0xb
 [  259.239008] Code: 
 85 
 9d 
 48 
 fd 
 ff 
 ff 
 0f 
 84 
 cb 
 00 
 00 
 00 
 8b 
 85 
 7c 
 fd 
 ff 
 ff 
 8d 
 55 
 f0 
 e8 
 c1 
 55 
 ff 
 ff 
 85 
 c0 
 89 
 c7 
 0f 
 84 
 b3 
 00 
 00 
 00 
 8b 
 48 
 10 
 85 
 c9 
 74 
 3a 
 
 79 
 1c 
 00 
 74 
 34 
 85 
 f6 
 74 
 25 
 c7 
 46 
 04 
 02 
 00 
 00 
 00 
 85 
 9d 
 5c 
 fd 
 
 [  259.239008] EIP: [<c0199ebe>] 
 do_select+0x2cc/0x502
 SS:ESP 0068:f60eab64
 [  259.239008] CR2: 00000000f8ba001c
 [  259.239008] ---[ end trace a6117b9e067aeb87 ]---
 [  259.239008] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception
 [  259.239008] Pid: 3307, comm: pppd Tainted: G      D     2.6.36-build-0053 
#14
 [  259.239008] Call Trace:
 [  259.239008]  [<c02f8ace>] ? printk+0xf/0x11
 [  259.239008]  [<c02f89cb>] panic+0x50/0x144
 [  259.239008]  [<c0105061>] oops_end+0x8b/0x9a
 [  259.239008]  [<c011af70>] no_context+0x13e/0x148
 [  259.239008]  [<c0142b8c>] ? hrtimer_try_to_cancel+0x60/0x69
 [  259.239008]  [<c011b05f>] __bad_area_nosemaphore+0xe5/0xed
 [  259.239008]  [<c011b074>] bad_area_nosemaphore+0xd/0x10
 [  259.239008]  [<c011b2d6>] do_page_fault+0xf6/0x230
 [  259.239008]  [<c011b1e0>] ? do_page_fault+0x0/0x230
 [  259.239008]  [<c02fac22>] error_code+0x5a/0x60
 [  259.239008]  [<c019007b>] ? grab_super+0x30/0x56
 [  259.239008]  [<c011b1e0>] ? do_page_fault+0x0/0x230
 [  259.239008]  [<c0199ebe>] ? do_select+0x2cc/0x502
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a484>] ? __pollwait+0x0/0xa5
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a529>] ? pollwake+0x0/0x63
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a529>] ? pollwake+0x0/0x63
 [  259.239008]  [<c0143f37>] ? sched_clock_local+0x17/0x13d
 [  259.239008]  [<c0122ac4>] ? update_curr+0x84/0x15c
 [  259.239008]  [<c011f5a3>] ? kmap_atomic_prot+0xe1/0xe3
 [  259.239008]  [<c0143f37>] ? sched_clock_local+0x17/0x13d
 [  259.239008]  [<c02044ee>] ? put_dec+0x2a/0x74
 [  259.239008]  [<c0204689>] ? number+0x151/0x223
 [  259.239008]  [<c012461f>] ? dequeue_task_fair+0x283/0x28b
 [  259.239008]  [<c0123845>] ? __dequeue_entity+0x23/0x27
 [  259.239008]  [<c01238d6>] ? set_next_entity+0x8d/0xf7
 [  259.239008]  [<c012889c>] ? finish_task_switch+0x33/0x7a
 [  259.239008]  [<c02f931c>] ? schedule+0x5c0/0x5ff
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a208>] core_sys_select+0x114/0x190
 [  259.239008]  [<c015ce1c>] ? call_rcu_sched+0xd/0xf
 [  259.239008]  [<c015ce26>] ? call_rcu+0x8/0xa
 [  259.239008]  [<c012f80b>] ? release_task+0x28d/0x29d
 [  259.239008]  [<c012fc80>] ? wait_consider_task+0x465/0x7b7
 [  259.239008]  [<c013fa7f>] ? spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x8/0xa
 [  259.239008]  [<c013fc10>] ? remove_wait_queue+0x31/0x36
 [  259.239008]  [<f8bacff1>] ? ppp_read+0x101/0x145 [ppp_generic]
 [  259.239008]  [<c0145ceb>] ? timekeeping_get_ns+0x11/0x4f
 [  259.239008]  [<c014688a>] ? ktime_get_ts+0x89/0x93
 [  259.239008]  [<c019a42e>] sys_select+0x68/0x84
 [  259.239008]  [<c02fa625>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb
 [  259.239008] Rebooting in 5 seconds..

It is not easy to do full git bisect(it is semi-embedded distro), but i can 
try reversing particular commits, if someone can give idea which one, and can 
try debug patches.

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* Re: 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing
  2010-10-25  9:22 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing Denys Fedoryshchenko
@ 2010-10-28  7:05 ` Jarek Poplawski
  2010-11-02 13:49   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jarek Poplawski @ 2010-10-28  7:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Denys Fedoryshchenko
  Cc: Thomas Gleixner, Paul Mackerras, linux-kernel, netdev

On 2010-10-25 11:22, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Here is what i got from netconsole
>  [  259.238755] BUG: unable to handle kernel 
>  paging request
>  at f8ba001c
>  [  259.238953] IP:
>  [<c0199ebe>] do_select+0x2cc/0x502
...
> It is not easy to do full git bisect(it is semi-embedded distro), but i can 
> try reversing particular commits, if someone can give idea which one, and can 
> try debug patches.

Hi,
Nothing concrete, but you might try reverting this one:

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.36.y.git;a=commitdiff;h=15fd0cd9a2ad24a78fbee369dec8ca660979d57e

Jarek P.

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* Re: 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing
  2010-10-28  7:05 ` Jarek Poplawski
@ 2010-11-02 13:49   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
  2010-11-03  7:38     ` Jarek Poplawski
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Denys Fedoryshchenko @ 2010-11-02 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jarek Poplawski; +Cc: Thomas Gleixner, Paul Mackerras, linux-kernel, netdev

I didn't try yet, but i enable more debugs and catch linked list corruption. 

Here is dumps from netconsole:
http://www.nuclearcat.com/ll.txt
http://www.nuclearcat.com/ll2.txt		

I have another PC, also fails to run 2.6.36, but netconsole don't give 
anything.
Both PC's have strange issue with clock drifting away too much (on 2.6.35 and 
maybe even before).


On Thursday 28 October 2010 10:05:50 Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> On 2010-10-25 11:22, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > Here is what i got from netconsole
> > 
> >  [  259.238755] BUG: unable to handle kernel
> >  paging request
> >  at f8ba001c
> >  [  259.238953] IP:
> >  [<c0199ebe>] do_select+0x2cc/0x502
> 
> ...
> 
> > It is not easy to do full git bisect(it is semi-embedded distro), but i
> > can try reversing particular commits, if someone can give idea which
> > one, and can try debug patches.
> 
> Hi,
> Nothing concrete, but you might try reverting this one:
> 
> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.36.y.git;a=commi
> tdiff;h=15fd0cd9a2ad24a78fbee369dec8ca660979d57e
> 
> Jarek P.
> --
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

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* Re: 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing
  2010-11-02 13:49   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
@ 2010-11-03  7:38     ` Jarek Poplawski
  2010-11-03  7:47       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jarek Poplawski @ 2010-11-03  7:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Denys Fedoryshchenko
  Cc: Thomas Gleixner, Paul Mackerras, linux-kernel, netdev

On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 03:49:47PM +0200, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> I didn't try yet, but i enable more debugs and catch linked list corruption. 

It should be very useful but it seems there were no significant changes
in ppp locking between 2.6.35 and .36 except the patch I mentioned, so
it would be nice to check this first and try to fix it properly later.

Jarek P.

> 
> Here is dumps from netconsole:
> http://www.nuclearcat.com/ll.txt
> http://www.nuclearcat.com/ll2.txt		
> 
> I have another PC, also fails to run 2.6.36, but netconsole don't give 
> anything.
> Both PC's have strange issue with clock drifting away too much (on 2.6.35 and 
> maybe even before).
> 
> 
> On Thursday 28 October 2010 10:05:50 Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> > On 2010-10-25 11:22, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > Here is what i got from netconsole
> > > 
> > >  [  259.238755] BUG: unable to handle kernel
> > >  paging request
> > >  at f8ba001c
> > >  [  259.238953] IP:
> > >  [<c0199ebe>] do_select+0x2cc/0x502
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > It is not easy to do full git bisect(it is semi-embedded distro), but i
> > > can try reversing particular commits, if someone can give idea which
> > > one, and can try debug patches.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > Nothing concrete, but you might try reverting this one:
> > 
> > http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.36.y.git;a=commi
> > tdiff;h=15fd0cd9a2ad24a78fbee369dec8ca660979d57e
> > 
> > Jarek P.
> > --
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in
> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

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* Re: 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing
  2010-11-03  7:38     ` Jarek Poplawski
@ 2010-11-03  7:47       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
  2010-11-03  8:02         ` Jarek Poplawski
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Denys Fedoryshchenko @ 2010-11-03  7:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jarek Poplawski; +Cc: Thomas Gleixner, Paul Mackerras, linux-kernel, netdev

I try to reverse and got very weird lockups (no netconsole logs and no 
watchdog triggered reboot on that remote machine).
I will try to cook something to reboot it, because it is very remote machine

On Wednesday 03 November 2010 09:38:54 Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 03:49:47PM +0200, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> > I didn't try yet, but i enable more debugs and catch linked list
> > corruption.
> 
> It should be very useful but it seems there were no significant changes
> in ppp locking between 2.6.35 and .36 except the patch I mentioned, so
> it would be nice to check this first and try to fix it properly later.
> 
> Jarek P.
> 
> > Here is dumps from netconsole:
> > http://www.nuclearcat.com/ll.txt
> > http://www.nuclearcat.com/ll2.txt
> > 
> > I have another PC, also fails to run 2.6.36, but netconsole don't give
> > anything.
> > Both PC's have strange issue with clock drifting away too much (on 2.6.35
> > and maybe even before).
> > 
> > On Thursday 28 October 2010 10:05:50 Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> > > On 2010-10-25 11:22, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > Here is what i got from netconsole
> > > > 
> > > >  [  259.238755] BUG: unable to handle kernel
> > > >  paging request
> > > >  at f8ba001c9999
> > > >  [  259.238953] IP:
> > > >  [<c0199ebe>] do_select+0x2cc/0x502
> > > 
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > > It is not easy to do full git bisect(it is semi-embedded distro), but
> > > > i can try reversing particular commits, if someone can give idea
> > > > which one, and can try debug patches.
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > Nothing concrete, but you might try reverting this one:
> > > 
> > > http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.36.y.git;a=c
> > > ommi tdiff;h=15fd0cd9a2ad24a78fbee369dec8ca660979d57e
> > > 
> > > Jarek P.
> > > --
> > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in
> > > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> > > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

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* Re: 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing
  2010-11-03  7:47       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
@ 2010-11-03  8:02         ` Jarek Poplawski
       [not found]           ` <201011031018.21178.nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jarek Poplawski @ 2010-11-03  8:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Denys Fedoryshchenko
  Cc: Thomas Gleixner, Paul Mackerras, linux-kernel, netdev

On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 09:47:53AM +0200, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> I try to reverse and got very weird lockups (no netconsole logs and no 
> watchdog triggered reboot on that remote machine).
> I will try to cook something to reboot it, because it is very remote machine

OK, I only wanted to know if reverting could be a fast fix. Since it
isn't, please stay with 2.6.35 until there is some new idea (patch).

Jarek P.

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* Re: 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing
       [not found]           ` <201011031018.21178.nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>
@ 2010-11-03  8:59             ` Jarek Poplawski
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jarek Poplawski @ 2010-11-03  8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Denys Fedoryshchenko
  Cc: Thomas Gleixner, Paul Mackerras, linux-kernel, netdev

On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 10:18:20AM +0200, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday 03 November 2010 10:02:58 Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 09:47:53AM +0200, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote:
> > > I try to reverse and got very weird lockups (no netconsole logs and no
> > > watchdog triggered reboot on that remote machine).
> > > I will try to cook something to reboot it, because it is very remote
> > > machine
> > 
> > OK, I only wanted to know if reverting could be a fast fix. Since it
> > isn't, please stay with 2.6.35 until there is some new idea (patch).
> > 
> Well, still i want to try (if i can) more debug, and maybe i'll catch 
> something, also i have around 145 NAS servers to go, to try 2.6.36 :-)

I think the current debugging needs analyzing first. But here is
a patch which probably could matter at least wrt your first oopses.
(Please try this first on something you can easily reboot.)

Jarek P.
---

diff --git a/drivers/net/ppp_generic.c b/drivers/net/ppp_generic.c
index 09cf56d..1b98c4c 100644
--- a/drivers/net/ppp_generic.c
+++ b/drivers/net/ppp_generic.c
@@ -409,6 +409,8 @@ static ssize_t ppp_read(struct file *file, char __user *buf,
 
 	if (!pf)
 		return -ENXIO;
+
+	atomic_inc(&pf->refcnt);
 	add_wait_queue(&pf->rwait, &wait);
 	for (;;) {
 		set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
@@ -440,6 +442,17 @@ static ssize_t ppp_read(struct file *file, char __user *buf,
 	set_current_state(TASK_RUNNING);
 	remove_wait_queue(&pf->rwait, &wait);
 
+	if (atomic_dec_and_test(&pf->refcnt)) {
+		switch (pf->kind) {
+		case INTERFACE:
+			ppp_destroy_interface(PF_TO_PPP(pf));
+			break;
+		case CHANNEL:
+			ppp_destroy_channel(PF_TO_CHANNEL(pf));
+			break;
+		}
+	}
+
 	if (!skb)
 		goto out;
 
@@ -504,6 +517,8 @@ static unsigned int ppp_poll(struct file *file, poll_table *wait)
 
 	if (!pf)
 		return 0;
+
+	atomic_inc(&pf->refcnt);
 	poll_wait(file, &pf->rwait, wait);
 	mask = POLLOUT | POLLWRNORM;
 	if (skb_peek(&pf->rq))
@@ -518,6 +533,17 @@ static unsigned int ppp_poll(struct file *file, poll_table *wait)
 			mask |= POLLIN | POLLRDNORM;
 	}
 
+	if (atomic_dec_and_test(&pf->refcnt)) {
+		switch (pf->kind) {
+		case INTERFACE:
+			ppp_destroy_interface(PF_TO_PPP(pf));
+			break;
+		case CHANNEL:
+			ppp_destroy_channel(PF_TO_CHANNEL(pf));
+			break;
+		}
+	}
+
 	return mask;
 }
 

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2010-10-25  9:22 2.6.35->2.6.36 regression, vanilla kernel panic, ppp or hrtimers crashing Denys Fedoryshchenko
2010-10-28  7:05 ` Jarek Poplawski
2010-11-02 13:49   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2010-11-03  7:38     ` Jarek Poplawski
2010-11-03  7:47       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2010-11-03  8:02         ` Jarek Poplawski
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2010-11-03  8:59             ` Jarek Poplawski

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