From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, chas@cmf.nrl.navy.mil,
security@kernel.org, pekkas@netcore.fi, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, drosenberg@vsecurity.com,
jmorris@namei.org, remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com,
kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, kaber@trash.net
Subject: Re: [Security] [SECURITY] Fix leaking of kernel heap addresses via /proc
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 02:00:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101108010042.GA13384@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101106.165703.193714684.davem@davemloft.net>
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 04:57:03PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:50:32 -0700
>
> > On Saturday, November 6, 2010, Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Clearly, in most cases we cannot just remove the field from the /proc
> >> output, as this would break a number of userspace programs that rely on
> >> consistency. However, I propose that we replace the address with a "0"
> >> rather than leaking this information.
> >
> > I really think it would be much better to use the unidentified number
> > or similar.
> >
> > Just replacing with zeroes is annoying, and has the potential of
> > losing actual information.
>
> I would really like to see the specific examples of where this is
> happening, it sounds like something very silly to me.
It has happened to me several times to use an hex editor to check some
socket's parameters (eg: backlog) based on the pointer. Sometimes I had
even change some parameters at runtime as part of debugging sessions.
In fact we could consider than many places that return pointers could
return 0 to normal users and the real value only to root (or any special
capability). I find it important not to reduce the observability of the
kernel for the sake of security.
Regards,
Willy
prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-08 1:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-06 20:11 [SECURITY] Fix leaking of kernel heap addresses via /proc Dan Rosenberg
2010-11-06 20:50 ` [Security] " Linus Torvalds
2010-11-06 23:48 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-07 21:52 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 22:48 ` Chas Williams (CONTRACTOR)
2010-11-07 23:14 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-07 23:29 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 23:27 ` Dan Rosenberg
2010-11-07 23:56 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-08 2:01 ` David Miller
2010-11-08 7:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-08 9:43 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-08 10:14 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-06 23:57 ` David Miller
2010-11-07 10:28 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2010-11-07 17:11 ` Ben Hutchings
2010-11-08 1:00 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
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