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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: "Jamie Iles" <jamie@jamieiles.com>,
	gerg@snapgear.com, B32542@freescale.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	s.hauer@pengutronix.de, bryan.wu@canonical.com,
	baruch@tkos.co.il, w.sang@pengutronix.de, r64343@freescale.com,
	"Shawn Guo" <shawn.guo@freescale.com>,
	eric@eukrea.com,
	"Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
	davem@davemloft.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	lw@karo-electronics.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 08/10] ARM: mxs: add ocotp read function
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:15:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110105201502.GK8638@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110105194418.GE12222@shareable.org>

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 07:44:18PM +0000, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> 'git show 534be1d5' explains how it works: cpu_relax() flushes buffered
> writes from _this_ CPU, so that other CPUs which are polling can make
> progress, which avoids this CPU getting stuck if there is an indirect
> dependency (no matter how convoluted) between what it's polling and which
> it wrote just before.
> 
> So cpu_relax() is *essential* in some polling loops, not a hint.
> 
> In principle that could happen for I/O polling, if (a) buffered memory
> writes are delayed by I/O read transactions, and (b) the device state we're
> waiting on depends on I/O yet to be done on another CPU, which could be
> polling memory first (e.g. a spinlock).
> 
> I doubt (a) in practice - but what about buses that block during I/O read?
> (I have a chip like that here, but it's ARMv4T.)

Let's be clear - ARMv5 and below generally are well ordered architectures
within the limits of caching.  There are cases where the write buffer
allows two writes to pass each other.  However, for IO we generally map
these - especially for ARMv4 and below - as 'uncacheable unbufferable'.
So on these, if the program says "read this location" the pipeline will
stall until the read has been issued - and if you use the result in the
next instruction, it will stall until the data is available.  So really,
it's not a problem here.

ARMv6 and above have a weakly ordered memory model with speculative
prefetching, so memory reads/writes can be completely unordered.  Device
accesses can pass memory accesses, but device accesses are always visible
in program order with respect to each other.

So, if you're spinning in a loop reading an IO device, all previous IO
accesses will be completed (in all ARM architectures) before the result
of your read is evaluated.


(But, let's make you squirm some more - mb() on ARMv6 and above may
equate to a CPU memory barrier _plus_ a few IO accesses to the external
L2 cache controller - which will be ordered wrt other IO accesses of
course.)

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-05 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-05 14:07 [PATCH v3 00/10] net/fec: add dual fec support for i.MX28 Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] net/fec: fix MMFR_OP type in fec_enet_mdio_write Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] net/fec: remove the use of "index" which is legacy Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] net/fec: add mac field into platform data and consolidate fec_get_mac Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] net/fec: improve pm for better suspend/resume Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] net/fec: add dual fec support for mx28 Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 16:34   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-06  4:14     ` Shawn Guo
2011-01-06  7:10       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-07  7:00         ` Shawn Guo
2011-01-07  9:44           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] ARM: mx28: update clock and device name for dual fec support Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] ARM: mx28: add the second fec device registration Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] ARM: mxs: add ocotp read function Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 16:16   ` Jamie Iles
2011-01-05 16:44     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-05 17:25       ` Jamie Iles
2011-01-05 17:56         ` Jamie Lokier
2011-01-05 18:35           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 19:44             ` Jamie Lokier
2011-01-05 20:15               ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2011-01-06  0:50                 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-01-06  9:13                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-06  1:45           ` Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] ARM: mx28: read fec mac address from ocotp Shawn Guo
2011-01-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] ARM: mxs: add initial pm support Shawn Guo

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