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From: Carsten Wolff <carsten@wolffcarsten.de>
To: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi>
Cc: Alexander Zimmermann <zimmermann@nets.rwth-aachen.de>,
	Dominik Kaspar <dokaspar.ietf@gmail.com>,
	John Heffner <johnwheffner@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lennart Schulte <Lennart.Schulte@comsys.rwth-aachen.de>,
	Arnd Hannemann <arnd@arndnet.de>
Subject: Re: Linux TCP's Robustness to Multipath Packet Reordering
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:34:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106211334.17825.carsten@wolffcarsten.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106211423400.17529@wel-95.cs.helsinki.fi>

Hi,

On Tuesday 21 June 2011, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Alexander Zimmermann wrote:
> > Am 27.04.2011 um 18:22 schrieb Dominik Kaspar:
> > > Hi Carsten,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your feedback. I made some new tests with the same setup of
> > > packet-based forwarding over two emulated paths (600 KB/s, 10 ms) +
> > > (400 KB/s, 100 ms). In the first experiments, which showed a step-wise
> > > adaptation to reordering, SACK, DSACK, and Timestamps were all
> > > enabled. In the experiments, I individually disabled these three
> > > mechanisms and saw the following:
> > > 
> > > - Disabling timestamps causes TCP to never adjust to reordering at all.
> > 
> > Reordering detection with DSACK is broken in Linux. We will fix that in
> > a couple of weeks...
> > 
> > > - Disabling SACK allows TCP to adapt very rapidly ("perfect"
> > > aggregation!).
> > 
> > If you disable SACK, you will use the NewReno detection
> 
> Which probably has some reordering over-estimate bugs on its own...
> (but I've forgotten details of my suspicion long time ago so please don't
> ask for the them).

the NewReno detection is clever, but there's no exact information it could 
utilize for a good metric, because it detects the event too late, when the 
information is already gone. In my experiments it always under-estimated the 
reordering extent, though. I also remmember thinking that the metric of the 
Eifel-detection has an off-by-one bug.

Carsten

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-21 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-25 10:37 Linux TCP's Robustness to Multipath Packet Reordering Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-25 11:25 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-25 14:35   ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-25 15:38     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-26 16:58       ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-26 17:10         ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-26 18:00           ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-26 20:16             ` John Heffner
2011-04-26 21:27               ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-27  9:57               ` Carsten Wolff
2011-04-27 16:22                 ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-27 16:36                   ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-06-21 11:25                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2011-06-21 11:34                       ` Carsten Wolff [this message]
2011-06-21 11:46                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2011-04-27 16:48                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-27 17:39                   ` Yuchung Cheng
2011-04-27 17:53                     ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-04-27 19:56                     ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-27 21:41                       ` Yuchung Cheng
2011-04-28  6:11                         ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-06-19 15:22                           ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-06-19 15:38                             ` Alexander Zimmermann
2011-06-19 16:25                               ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-06-20 10:42                                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2011-06-20 12:52                                   ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-06-21 11:35                                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2011-04-26 20:43     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-26 21:04       ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-26 21:08         ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-26 21:16           ` Dominik Kaspar
2011-04-26 21:17           ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-25 12:59 ` Carsten Wolff

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