From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Miller Subject: bridge carrier issue Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20110920.152953.448244771460257273.davem@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: shemminger@vyatta.com To: netdev@vger.kernel.org Return-path: Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:25142 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750772Ab1ITT3z (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:29:55 -0400 Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: I'm marking the patches in patchwork on this as "deferred". It is my opinion that we need to push back on the virtualization stuff because otherwise it is impossible for network manager and friends to operate properly. Without the carrier going on only when a device is actually attached and operating, NM has no "signal" to know when it actually should do DHCP and whatnot. On the other hand, the virtualization tools and libraries can operate properly within the constraints added by the carrier behavior we have now. And I also believe they can do so in a way that allows them to work on kernels before the carrier change. Therefore, the only way to move forward and get everything working is to change the virtualization tools.