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From: Simon Horman <horms-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Jesse Gross <jesse-l0M0P4e3n4LQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: dev-yBygre7rU0TnMu66kgdUjQ@public.gmane.org,
	eric.dumazet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	jhs-jkUAjuhPggJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	shemminger-ZtmgI6mnKB3QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v4] Add TCP encap_rcv hook (repost)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:13:21 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120426071321.GA25781@verge.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEP_g=8DmQ_-8+ZbATdVhNJKiDSr0HdUgB-+oaqwU1=SqqzXfQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:17:25AM -0700, Jesse Gross wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kyle,
> >
> > the component that is of most interest to me is enabling OVS to use in-tree
> > tunnelling code - as it seems that makes most sense for an implementation
> > of STT. I have taken a brief look over your vxlan work and it isn't clear
> > to me if it is moving towards being an in-tree implementation.  Moreover,
> > I'm a rather unclear on what changes need to be made to OVS in order for
> > in-tree tunneling to be used.
> >
> > My recollection is that OVS did make use of in-tree tunnelling code
> > but this was removed in favour of the current implementation for various
> > reasons (performance being one IIRC). I gather that revisiting in-tree
> > tunnelling won't revisit the previous set of problems. But I'm unclear how.
> >
> > Jesse, is it possible for you to describe that in a little detail
> > or point me to some information?
> 
> This was what I had originally written a while back, although it's
> more about OVS internally and less about how to connect to the in-tree
> code:
> http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2012-February/014779.html
> 
> In order to flexibly implement support for current and future tunnel
> protocols OVS needs to be able to get/set information about the outer
> tunnel header when processing the inner packet.  At the very least
> this is src/dst IP addresses and the key/ID/VNI/etc.  In the upstream
> tunnel implementations those are implicitly encoded in the device that
> sends or receives the packet.  However, this has a two problems:
> number of devices and ability to handle unknown values.  We addressed
> part of this problem by allowing the tunnel ID to be set and matched
> through the OVS flow table and an action.  In order to do this with
> the in-tree tunneling code, we obviously need a way of passing this
> information around since it would currently get lost as we pass
> through the Linux device layer.
> 
> The plan to deal with that is to add a function to the in-tree
> tunneling code that allows a skb to be encapsulated with specific
> parameters and conversely a hook to receive decapsulated packets along
> with header info.  This would make all of the kernel tunneling code
> common, while still giving OVS userspace the ability to implement
> essentially any type of tunneling policy.  In many ways, this is very
> similar to how vlans look in OVS today.
> 
> While it would be possible to implement the hook to use the in-tree
> tunnel code today without a lot of changes, we already know that we
> want to move away from port-based model in the OVS kernel module
> towards the flow model.  As we push this upstream the userspace/kernel
> API should be the correct one, so that's why these two things are tied
> together.


Thanks, that explanation along with Kyle's response helps a lot.

It seems to me that something I could help out with is the implementation
of the set_tunnel action which extents and replaces the tun_id action.
It seems that is a requirement for the scheme you describe above.

http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2012-April/016239.html
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-04-26  7:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-19  4:53 [RFC v4] Add TCP encap_rcv hook (repost) Simon Horman
     [not found] ` <20120419045333.GA21311-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-21 19:37   ` David Miller
     [not found]     ` <20120421.153743.699070106218049860.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-22 15:22       ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]         ` <61c89e02-c916-421e-b469-62b307853b1b-bX68f012229Xuxj3zoTs5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-22 15:54           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2012-04-22 21:06             ` David Miller
2012-04-23  5:14             ` Simon Horman
     [not found]               ` <20120423051359.GE11672-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23  7:36                 ` David Miller
     [not found]                   ` <20120423.033658.1229108613501573952.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23  8:30                     ` Simon Horman
     [not found]                       ` <20120423083007.GB22556-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 19:15                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                           ` <20120423.151533.694306336485319759.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 19:19                             ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]                               ` <20120423121934.195e898c-We1ePj4FEcvRI77zikRAJc56i+j3xesD0e7PPNI6Mm0@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 20:08                                 ` Jesse Gross
     [not found]                                   ` <CAEP_g=_3om5aR=P0ffa9421KhvYYrMEeE33TNcCC9UV6+XVWAQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 20:13                                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                                       ` <20120423.161313.1582195533832554777.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 20:53                                         ` Jesse Gross
2012-04-23 21:08                                           ` David Miller
2012-04-23 21:38                                             ` Jesse Gross
     [not found]                                               ` <CAEP_g=-52GOr3LzbUB+97ftNQBZV=7NWXqfWN6GMfq5KmdO25A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 22:32                                                 ` Simon Horman
     [not found]                                                   ` <20120423223255.GG580-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 22:59                                                     ` Jesse Gross
     [not found]                                                       ` <CAEP_g=9p0TE59JbrS8QzHj4mEzc-5_hUDzmLRsRxLyUaFX+Z5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24  2:25                                                         ` Simon Horman
2012-04-24  4:40                                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]                                                             ` <2a718516-6883-4a46-b5e2-1c73be2b4b59-bX68f012229Xuxj3zoTs5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24  5:42                                                               ` Simon Horman
     [not found]                                                           ` <20120424022514.GB5357-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 16:02                                                             ` Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
     [not found]                                                               ` <807AC914-2F33-46C7-99DC-E2F8F0F97531-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 16:13                                                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20120424091317.08953fd2-We1ePj4FEcvRI77zikRAJc56i+j3xesD0e7PPNI6Mm0@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 16:16                                                                     ` Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
2012-04-25  8:39                                                                 ` Simon Horman
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20120425083925.GB6661-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25 13:36                                                                     ` Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
2012-04-25 17:17                                                                     ` Jesse Gross
     [not found]                                                                       ` <CAEP_g=8DmQ_-8+ZbATdVhNJKiDSr0HdUgB-+oaqwU1=SqqzXfQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26  7:13                                                                         ` Simon Horman [this message]
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20120426071321.GA25781-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 16:13                                                                             ` Jesse Gross
     [not found]                                                                               ` <CAEP_g=8VQizt5iUc_yR+PynMYpZgD4ep+o379JK8k-KCKMYgmg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 16:16                                                                                 ` Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
2012-04-22 15:24   ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]     ` <64d4ef6b-f082-4c25-97c2-528773fb4566-bX68f012229Xuxj3zoTs5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-22 23:27       ` Simon Horman

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