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From: Werner Almesberger <werner@almesberger.net>
To: Alan Ott <alan@signal11.us>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-zigbee-devel <linux-zigbee-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-zigbee-devel] [PATCH 1/6] mac802154: Immediately retry sending failed packets
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:38:21 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130403023821.GE28141@ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <515B84EB.8020006@signal11.us>

Alan Ott wrote:
> 1. Most supported devices have only single packet output buffer, so
> blocking in the driver is the most straight-forward way to handle it.
> The alternative is to make each driver have a workqueue for xmit() (to
> lift the blocking out from atomic context). This makes each driver simpler.

It does make following the program flow a little easier, but
the difference isn't all that large if you think of it,
particularly if you have to wait not only for I/O to finish
but also for the device to send the packet.

The latter will usually be signaled by some form of interrupt,
so you're already in a situation where a callback to the higher
layers of the stack would be very natural.

> Maybe at some point this will be done. Right now we have a ton of
> pressing issues (in my opinion).

Agreed on having no shortage of nasty issues :-) And I'd like
to echo Dave's comment regarding netdev. Those ieee802154_dev
always struck me as peculiar, with flow control just being one
issue.

And things get worse when you have a complex bus underneath
your driver. For example, my USB-using atusb driver (*) has to
do a great many things usbnet already does. And any other
USB-based WPAN driver would be more or less in the same boat.
Of course, one could reinvent that wheel as well and make a
usbwpan, but ... :)

(*) Sneak preview, still with a number of issues, not only style:
    https://github.com/wpwrak/ben-wpan-linux/blob/master/drivers/net/ieee802154/atusb.c

- Werner

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-03  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-02 18:47 [PATCH 0/6] 802.15.4 and 6LoWPAN Buffering Fixes Alan Ott
     [not found] ` <1364928481-1813-1-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 18:47   ` [PATCH 1/6] mac802154: Immediately retry sending failed packets Alan Ott
     [not found]     ` <1364928481-1813-2-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:11       ` Alexander Smirnov
     [not found]         ` <CAJmB2rCr5ds11+iN=W5GCKsUgdfb57uKg+mH4NY4CWw6EFCTbg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 20:28           ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 21:28             ` Alan Ott
     [not found]               ` <515B4D79.40805-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 22:35                 ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 23:13                 ` Werner Almesberger
2013-04-03  1:24                   ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03  1:56                     ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " David Miller
     [not found]                       ` <20130402.215625.1555279506975246223.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03  1:59                         ` Alan Ott
     [not found]                           ` <515B8D09.9050304-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03  2:03                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                               ` <20130402.220315.1782012687105065631.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03  2:25                                 ` Alan Ott
     [not found]                                   ` <515B9318.8090101-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03  2:30                                     ` David Miller
2013-04-03  2:57                                       ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " Alan Ott
2013-04-03  2:38                     ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2013-04-02 18:47   ` [PATCH 2/6] mac802154: Move xmit_attemps to stack Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47   ` [PATCH 3/6] mac802154: Use netif flow control Alan Ott
2013-04-02 21:21     ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-04-02 18:47   ` [PATCH 4/6] mac802154: Increase tx_buffer_len Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:48   ` [PATCH 5/6] 6lowpan: handle dev_queue_xmit error code properly Alan Ott
     [not found]     ` <1364928481-1813-6-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:21       ` Alexander Smirnov
     [not found]         ` <CAJmB2rB+9-gLV=SVvr4JUc2swjmTaWxD0gYM5VLw8PL1d455JA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:30           ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:48   ` [PATCH 6/6] 6lowpan: return the dev_queue_xmit() return value from lowpan_xmit() Alan Ott
     [not found]     ` <1364928481-1813-7-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:27       ` Alexander Smirnov
2013-04-03 14:00   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] 802.15.4 and 6LoWPAN Buffering Fixes Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00     ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mac802154: Do not try to resend failed packets Alan Ott
     [not found]     ` <1364997658-16498-1-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-03 14:00       ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mac802154: Use netif flow control Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00       ` [PATCH v2 3/4] mac802154: Increase tx_buffer_len Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00       ` [PATCH v2 4/4] 6lowpan: handle dev_queue_xmit() error code properly Alan Ott
2013-04-07 21:06     ` [PATCH v2 0/4] 802.15.4 and 6LoWPAN Buffering Fixes David Miller

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