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From: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	edumazet@google.com, darren@dvhart.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	sbw@mit.edu, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
	Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 07/13] ipv6/ip6_tunnel: Apply rcu_access_pointer() to avoid sparse false positive
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:11:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131013201102.GD14021@order.stressinduktion.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131013111439.GE5790@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 04:14:39AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 07:42:18PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 06:43:45PM +0200, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote:
> > > > Regarding the volatile access, I hope that the C11 memory model
> > > > and enhancements to the compiler will some day provide a better
> > > > way to express the semantics of what is tried to express here
> > > > (__atomic_store_n/__atomic_load_n with the accompanied memory model,
> > > > which could be even weaker to what a volatile access would enfore
> > > > now and could guarantee atomic stores/loads).
> > > 
> > > I just played around a bit more. Perhaps we could try to warn of silly
> > > usages of ACCESS_ONCE():
> > > 
> > > --- a/include/linux/compiler.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/compiler.h
> > > @@ -349,7 +349,11 @@ void ftrace_likely_update(struct ftrace_branch_data *f,
> > > int val, int expect);
> > >   * use is to mediate communication between process-level code and irq/NMI
> > >   * handlers, all running on the same CPU.
> > >   */
> > > -#define ACCESS_ONCE(x) (*(volatile typeof(x) *)&(x))
> > > +#define ACCESS_ONCE(x) (*({						\
> > > +		compiletime_assert(sizeof(typeof(x)) <= sizeof(typeof(&x)), \
> > > +				   "ACCESS_ONCE likely not atomic");	\
> > 
> > AFAIU, ACCESS_ONCE() is not meant to ensure atomicity of load/store,
> > but rather merely ensures that the compiler will not merge nor refetch
> > accesses. I don't think the assert check you propose is appropriate with
> > respect to the ACCESS_ONCE() semantic.
> 
> I am with Mathieu on this one, at least unless there is some set of actual
> bugs already in the kernel that these length checks would find.

I guess my wording of "ACCESS_ONCE likely not atomic" was misplaced. Something
like volatile access to memory larger than the processor register size is
probably not what you intended. Use atomics or proper locking. ;)
And maybe that is not even correct.

> /me wonders about structs of size 3, 5, 6, and 7...

Checked a x86_64 allyesconfig build with sizes above pointer size and odd
parity and nothing broke.

Greetings,

  Hannes

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-13 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-09 21:29 [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 0/13] Sparse-related updates for 3.13 Paul E. McKenney
     [not found] ` <1381354186-16285-1-git-send-email-paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 03/13] bridge: Apply rcu_access_pointer() to avoid sparse false positive Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 04/13] wireless: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 05/13] decnet: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 22:28     ` Josh Triplett
2013-10-09 22:46       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 22:57         ` Josh Triplett
2013-10-09 23:57           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 22:58     ` Dhaval Giani
2013-10-09 23:54       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 06/13] ipv4/ip_socketglue: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 07/13] ipv6/ip6_tunnel: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:42     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-10-09 21:57       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 22:10         ` Eric Dumazet
2013-10-09 22:36           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 22:51             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-10-09 22:56               ` Josh Triplett
2013-10-09 23:17                 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-10-09 23:40                   ` Josh Triplett
2013-10-10  0:12                     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-10-10  0:28                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-10  2:04                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-10-10 19:05                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-12  2:25                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-10-12  7:53                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-12 16:43                                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-10-12 17:37                                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-10-12 19:42                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2013-10-13 11:14                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-13 20:11                                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa [this message]
2013-10-11  0:20                         ` Josh Triplett
2013-10-11 13:25                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 08/13] ipv6/ip6_gre: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 09/13] ipv6/sit: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 10/13] mac80211: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 11/13] bridge/br_mdb: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 12/13] bonding/bond_main: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 21:29   ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 13/13] bonding/bond_alb.c: " Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 22:18 ` [PATCH v2 tip/core/rcu 0/13] Sparse-related updates for 3.13 Josh Triplett
2013-10-09 22:46   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-09 22:23 ` Josh Triplett
2013-10-09 22:30 ` Josh Triplett

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