From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Miller Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v1 0/7] net: phy: Ethernet PHY powerdown optimization Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:36:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20131120.153642.2045230991917379052.davem@davemloft.net> References: <1384978913-8052-1-git-send-email-sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org To: sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com Return-path: In-Reply-To: <1384978913-8052-1-git-send-email-sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: netdev.vger.kernel.org From: Sebastian Hesselbarth Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:21:46 +0100 > Ethernet PHYs consume a significant amount of power when link is detected. > Especially, for embedded systems it can be easily 20-40% of total system > power. Now, currently most likely all ethernet drivers leave PHYs powered > on, even if the device is taken down. Also, some stupid boot loaders power > on all PHYs available. > > This RFC deals with saving power consumed by ethernet PHYs, that have no > corresponding ethernet device driver or are attached to ethernet devices > which are taken down by user request, i.e. ifconfig ethN down. Ports with > no link, i.e. cable removed, are already quite good at power saving due to > PHY internal link detection. The idea is sound and the goal is of course valuable, but it brings up a chronically reoccurring issue as of late. You cannot reset the PHY or take it down without somehow retaining the settings the PHY had when you bring it back up. If I ifdown/ifup a device, my ethtool link configuration better be retained. This means the PHY layer must have a way to reprogram the device when it is brought back up, with whatever settings the software state things are there.