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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: luto@amacapital.net, tj@kernel.org, dwalsh@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lpoetter@redhat.com,
	ssorce@redhat.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, kay@redhat.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:04:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140424210429.GD19091@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140424.164820.1543648508330465096.davem@davemloft.net>

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 04:48:20PM -0400, David Miller wrote:
> From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:34:27 -0400
> 
> > By open() time you mean at socket() time or at connect() time?
> 
> I mean at all of the places at which init_peercred() occurs.

init_peercred() is only used for stream sockets and not for datagram
sockets. Hence the confusion that what are cgroup semantics for datagram
sockets.

> 
> > You also mentioned that you want SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP as
> > pairs like SO_PEERCRED and SO_PASSCRED.  But to me, SO_PEERCRED and
> > SO_PASSCRED are not *exact* pairs and are little different in their
> > semantics.  SO_PEERCRED gives us client creds at connect() time
> > while SO_PASSCRED client's real creds at sendmsg() time. SO_PASSCRED
> > does not store client's credential's at connect() time for datagram
> > sockets.
> 
> Then you haven't been following the discussion.
> 
> The client's credentials at sendmsg()/write() time are "DO NOT CARE".
> 
> You cannot even guarentee the semantics in the logging example if
> you ask for these "client identity at sendmsg() time" semantics.
> 
> What if the event occured when the client was in cgroup1, and the
> log message goes out after it has been moved into cgroup2?

Does it really matter. If a task is changing cgroup while it is doing
other operations, I don't think one can guarantee which cgroup kernel
will effectively uses for a particular operation. It will depend on
what was cgroup when kernel actually made task_cgroup() call. 

> 
> That is just proof that this whole idea is fundamentally flawed.

I don't think anybody is looking for such strong semantics. For example,
same issue will exist if receiver gets the message and looks up
/proc/pid/cgroup to associate message with a cgroup. By then task might
have changed cgroup.

So I really don't think changing cgroup is a problem w.r.t API.

Thanks
Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-24 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-15 21:15 [PATCH 0/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP socket options Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP Vivek Goyal
     [not found]   ` <1397596546-10153-2-git-send-email-vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-15 21:54     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16  0:22       ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path Vivek Goyal
     [not found]   ` <1397596546-10153-3-git-send-email-vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-15 21:53     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-15 23:09       ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16  0:20       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20140416002010.GA5035-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16  1:05           ` David Miller
2014-04-16  3:47         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <CALCETrWzHYN3kKcmDTFDfGhZqE4u9+6XDtiOu5nncbK_7KKH0g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 10:17             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]               ` <20140416101709.GA14131-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 14:34                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                   ` <CALCETrUTMSpd=NYn9QuO5Y3WY0uBhjNEHO0jCwZu0L59CpeDew-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 15:10                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 12:57             ` David Miller
2014-04-16 14:37               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrVv8SPM5xjOVGy7qO2aq3FKtG2uG57J49nO7Wy0-gg0Ew-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 16:13                   ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 16:21                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20140416162149.GI1257-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 16:54                         ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                     ` <1397664837.19767.410.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 16:31                       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                         ` <CALCETrXn7b6UuALpGUVoyQYfR2uzk5tj2ABV=dkvtFNgqM5sxQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 17:02                           ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 17:29                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                               ` <CALCETrU_yKQVZyVug25cxwQFjWJ7Zf20FY-6ht+RJifXtDdDWg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 17:34                                 ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                   ` <1397669685.19767.450.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 17:53                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:36                                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                   ` <20140416183614.GH31074-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 18:40                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:51                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:59                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:06                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                             ` <20140416180642.GG31074-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 18:13                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:25                                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                   ` <20140416182530.GB550-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 18:35                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                       ` <CALCETrUs1js3Br81ZkiQnsuWduzOiqDe3aV0K_z_zw0znSuiag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 19:06                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 19:13                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                             ` <CALCETrUv56awd+UoO_f8LLL2FVq-Hc6Bd6iBGMqWjVGpgxgTSg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 19:39                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 20:24                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 13:41                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                 ` <CALCETrVUw5+vCCONy1VTXpskbY_eZFo2CtbehwV5Mhj4d4+icw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 18:59                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 15:41                                     ` Daniel J Walsh
2014-04-17 16:05                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                       ` <534FF61B.4010901-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 16:04                                         ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                           ` <1397750674.2628.44.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 16:11                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                               ` <CALCETrUrj2LtAoXp600BD2ANgE2UUEbTYQrK8hHqDR=qpeFPcg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 16:24                                                 ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                                   ` <1397751853.2628.50.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 16:37                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                       ` <CALCETrWNWvumFg9Qba0GEOjYop4WYe530tCPtakrhnoCrHqhUQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 16:48                                                         ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                                           ` <1397753323.2628.60.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 16:55                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                               ` <CALCETrXj6kD3E+vsaWmkrSbaQYTu=c-Hsw640jh4O+FbojYk2g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 17:12                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 17:26                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CALCETrVq4HRpfWOAbZAQbyjuraQd=OxnW=WjSoe5JgBzRStiKg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 17:33                                                                       ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1397756025.2628.64.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 17:35                                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                             ` <CALCETrVBJFgKwRKBE2jAG6kiGgkJ+MyQiw2nyz5yj0h68kCk9A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 17:47                                                                               ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <1397756821.2628.69.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 18:05                                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:23                                                                             ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                                                               ` <1397759013.2628.86.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 18:33                                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:50                                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <20140417185023.GA32527-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 18:57                                                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <20140417185742.GB32527-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 19:06                                                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <CALCETrXJPJeGBdauQS_WR5FNaZXR=05NjNKuC6r0xFORt+eaJQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 19:15                                                                                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 19:19                                                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 19:10                                                                                     ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <1397761817.2628.113.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 19:16                                                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <20140417191646.GA2461-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 19:46                                                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <CALCETrW3F1+3qF3thrAmuoWVbRveBJ2=owpigh4mv6iAafoQCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-21 15:03                                                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-21 15:47                                                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 15:07                                                                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 15:37                                                                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 16:01                                                                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 19:23                                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:52                                                                       ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1397757169.2628.75.camel-Hs+ccMQdwurzDu64bZtGtWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 18:04                                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                             ` <CALCETrUon7mZzp12th2bZ=cJyTjn8ePwg_VtPWL_bykjnnpKLw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-17 18:31                                                                               ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:38                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 16:12                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 16:45           ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 17:29             ` David Miller
     [not found]               ` <20140423.132955.671992126955940387.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-24 20:34                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                   ` <20140424203427.GC19091-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-24 20:48                     ` David Miller
2014-04-24 21:04                       ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2014-04-24 21:11                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                           ` <20140424.171155.806959282091051918.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-25  0:29                             ` Simo Sorce
     [not found] ` <1397596546-10153-1-git-send-email-vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-22 20:05   ` [PATCH 0/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP socket options David Miller
2014-04-22 20:08     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-22 20:29       ` David Miller
2014-04-22 20:31         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-22 20:32           ` David Miller
     [not found]             ` <20140422.163251.1863774803211446171.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-23  0:37               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <CALCETrX_TCbKy-3W590wG3rq9O3Hzbqc_wu3EGg7PKn2NNsTpQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-23 19:05             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 20:53               ` Daniel J Walsh
     [not found]                 ` <5358284B.7020706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-24 13:01                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20140422.160558.627080587952506099.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-23 15:55       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20140423155512.GA24651-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-23 16:16           ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 17:21         ` Andy Lutomirski

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