From: 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo' <acme@kernel.org>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-man@vger.kernel.org" <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
"Ondrej Bílka" <neleai@seznam.cz>,
"Caitlin Bestler" <caitlin.bestler@gmail.com>,
"Neil Horman" <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
"Elie De Brauwer" <eliedebrauwer@gmail.com>,
"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Steven Whitehouse" <steve@chygwyn.com>,
"Rémi Denis-Courmont" <remi.denis-courmont@nokia.com>,
"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
"Chris Friesen" <chris.friesen@windriver.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] Re: recvmmsg() timeout behavior strangeness [RESEND]
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 11:17:05 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140529141705.GI2764@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <063D6719AE5E284EB5DD2968C1650D6D1724FC78@AcuExch.aculab.com>
Em Thu, May 29, 2014 at 02:06:04PM +0000, David Laight escreveu:
> From: 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo'
> ...
> > > I remember some discussions from an XNET standards meeting (I've forgotten
> > > exactly which errors on which calls were being discussed).
> > > My recollection is that you return success with a partial transfer
> > > count for ANY error that happens after some data has been transferred.
> > > The actual error will be returned when it happens again on the next
> > > system call - Note the AGAIN, not a saved error.
> > A saved error, for the right entity, in the recvmmsg case, that
> > basically is batching multiple recvmsg syscalls, doesn't sound like a
> > problem, i.e. the idea is to, as much as possible, mimic what multiple
> > recvmsg calls would do, but reduce its in/out kernel (and inside kernel
> > subsystems) overhead.
> > Perhaps we can have something in between, i.e. for things like EFAULT,
> > we should report straight away, effectively dropping whatever datagrams
> > successfully received in the current batch, do you agree?
> Not unreasonable - EFAULT shouldn't happen unless the application
> is buggy.
Ok.
> > For transient errors the existing mechanism, fixed so that only per
> > socket errors are saved for later, as today, could be kept?
> I don't think it is ever necessary to save an errno value for the
> next system call at all.
> Just process the next system call and see what happens.
> If the call returns with less than the maximum number of datagrams
> and with a non-zero timeout left - then the application can infer
> that it was terminated by an abnormal event of some kind.
> This might be a signal.
Then it could use getsockopt(SO_ERROR) perhaps? I.e. we don't return the
error on the next call, but we provide a way for the app to retrieve the
reason for the smaller than expected batch?
> I'm not sure if an icmp error on a connected datagram socket could
> generate a 'disconnect'. It might happen if the interface is being
> used for something like SCTP.
> In either case the next call will detect the error.
- Arnaldo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-29 14:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-30 13:59 recvmmsg() timeout behavior strangeness [RESEND] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <536101C9.9090601-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-03 10:28 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-03 11:29 ` Florian Westphal
2014-05-03 11:39 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-12 10:15 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-12 14:34 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
[not found] ` <20140512143451.GB13801-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-21 21:05 ` [PATCH/RFC] " Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
[not found] ` <20140521210535.GA5414-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-22 14:27 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-24 6:13 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-26 13:46 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
[not found] ` <20140526134647.GB8176-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-26 21:17 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2014-05-27 16:35 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <5384BEC5.2080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-27 19:21 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
[not found] ` <20140527192115.GD25474-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-27 19:22 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2014-05-27 19:28 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <CAKgNAkht1vubHueYPpkRu_W5B8OYW3rPUkHeLEq5WMVbCvO47w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-27 20:30 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2014-05-28 5:00 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <20140527203010.GA2764-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-28 12:20 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-28 15:07 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
[not found] ` <20140528150720.GB2764-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-28 15:17 ` David Laight
2014-05-28 19:50 ` 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo'
[not found] ` <20140528195004.GD2764-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-28 21:33 ` Chris Friesen
2014-05-28 21:49 ` 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo'
2014-05-29 10:53 ` David Laight
2014-05-29 13:55 ` 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo'
2014-05-29 14:06 ` David Laight
2014-05-29 14:17 ` 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo' [this message]
[not found] ` <20140529141705.GI2764-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29 14:40 ` David Laight
2014-05-29 15:33 ` [PATCH/RFC] Handle EFAULT in partial recvmmsg was " 'Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo'
2014-06-16 9:58 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <CAKgNAkj-MVfeqEeffWKMNok0yO-Rm1kyY+zhXEy-U9NkB+aLow-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-24 20:25 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
[not found] ` <20140624202541.GD3456-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-27 11:29 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-29 14:07 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <5385D47A.3070401-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-27 11:37 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-23 19:00 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20140523.150055.2214666905697701415.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-23 19:55 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
[not found] ` <20140523195522.GH2741-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-24 6:13 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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