From: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
To: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
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alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com, Neil.Jerram@metaswitch.com,
ronye@mellanox.com, simon.horman@netronome.com,
alexander.h.duyck@intel.com
Subject: Re: [patch net-next v2 8/9] switchdev: introduce Netlink API
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:01:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140920110121.GB29419@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <541D54BA.6070709@mojatatu.com>
On 09/20/14 at 06:19am, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote:
> The ovs guys are against this and now no *api exists*?
> Write a 15 tuple classifier tc classifier and use it. I will be more
> than happy to help you. I will get to it when we have basics L2 working
> on real devices.
Nothing speaks against having such a tc classifier. In fact, having
the interface consist of only an embedded Netlink attribute structure
would allow for such a classifier in a very straight forward way.
That doesn't mean everybody should be forced to use the stateful
tc interface.
> Totally unacceptable in my books. If the OVS guys want some way out
> to be able to ride on some vendor sdks then that is their problem.
> We shouldnt allow for such loopholes. This is why/how TOE never made it
> in the kernel.
No need for false accusations here. Nobody ever mentioned vendor SDKs.
The statement was that the requirement of deriving hardware flows from
software flows *in the kernel* is not flexible enough for the future
for reasons such as:
1) The OVS software data path might be based on eBPF in the future and
it is unclear how we could derive hardware flows from that
transparently.
2) Depending on hardware capabilities. Hardware flows might need to be
assisted by software flow counterparts and it is believed that it
is the wrong approach to push all the necessary context for the
decision down into the kernel. This can be argued about and I don't
feel strongly either way.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-20 11:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-19 13:49 [patch net-next v2 0/9] introduce rocker switch driver with hardware accelerated datapath api Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 1/9] net: rename netdev_phys_port_id to more generic name Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <1411134590-4586-2-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-19 13:54 ` Jeff Kirsher
[not found] ` <1411134590-4586-1-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 2/9] net: introduce generic switch devices support Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 14:15 ` [patch net-next v2 0/9] introduce rocker switch driver with hardware accelerated datapath api David Laight
[not found] ` <063D6719AE5E284EB5DD2968C1650D6D17495CC6-VkEWCZq2GCInGFn1LkZF6NBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-19 14:20 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 5:37 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 3/9] rtnl: expose physical switch id for particular device Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 4/9] net-sysfs: " Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 5/9] net: introduce dummy switch Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <1411134590-4586-6-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-20 5:21 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20 7:37 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 6/9] switchdev: add basic support for flow matching and actions Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 5:32 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20 7:28 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 7/9] switchdev: add swdev features Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 8/9] switchdev: introduce Netlink API Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 15:25 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-19 15:49 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-19 17:57 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-19 22:12 ` John Fastabend
2014-09-19 22:18 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20 5:39 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20 8:25 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 8:17 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 10:19 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20 11:01 ` Thomas Graf [this message]
2014-09-20 11:32 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20 11:51 ` Thomas Graf
[not found] ` <20140920115140.GA3777-FZi0V3Vbi30CUdFEqe4BF2D2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-20 12:35 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-22 7:53 ` Jiri Pirko
[not found] ` <20140922075337.GA1828-6KJVSR23iU488b5SBfVpbw@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-22 11:48 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-09-20 5:36 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-20 8:14 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 10:53 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-20 22:50 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-22 8:13 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-22 15:10 ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-22 22:17 ` Thomas Graf
[not found] ` <20140922221727.GA4708-FZi0V3Vbi30CUdFEqe4BF2D2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-22 22:40 ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-22 22:53 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-22 23:07 ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-23 1:36 ` John Fastabend
2014-09-23 7:19 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23 11:09 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
[not found] ` <CA+mtBx9ZVQ5r5Hzy9-uEnk+iu+HKkOP4+VANC06Xf8VvTxktwQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-23 9:18 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23 1:54 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-23 2:16 ` Tom Herbert
2014-09-23 4:11 ` Andy Gospodarek
2014-09-23 10:11 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23 15:32 ` Or Gerlitz
2014-09-24 13:32 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-26 20:03 ` Or Gerlitz
2014-09-26 21:02 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-23 9:52 ` Thomas Graf
2014-09-20 3:41 ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-20 8:09 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-20 12:39 ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-20 8:10 ` Scott Feldman
2014-09-20 10:31 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
[not found] ` <DDC24110-C3F5-470F-B9BE-1D1792415D1E-qUQiAmfTcIp+XZJcv9eMoEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-20 12:51 ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-20 17:21 ` Scott Feldman
2014-09-20 17:38 ` Jiri Pirko
2014-09-21 1:30 ` Roopa Prabhu
2014-09-19 13:49 ` [patch net-next v2 9/9] rocker: introduce rocker switch driver Jiri Pirko
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-09-23 3:43 [patch net-next v2 8/9] switchdev: introduce Netlink API Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-23 20:57 ` Tom Herbert
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