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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: eric.dumazet@gmail.com
Cc: therbert@google.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org, fw@strlen.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/6] net: Call skb_get_hash in qdiscs
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 16:06:03 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150305.160603.1420680288391678472.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1425499383.5130.227.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com>

From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 12:03:03 -0800

> Yes, but then your patch is all about reducing flow compares to a single
> u32 comparison in qdiscs (and elsewhere)
> 
> choke for example explicitly wants to make sure we drop a companion
> if incoming packet belongs to the same flow.
> 
> Relying on a 'strong hash' whatever it can be was not considered in
> Choke paper. There is no mention of a stochastic match.
> 
> If we no longer can store the keys in skb->cb[], fine (although I claim
> skb->cb[] size should be irrelevant, see our discussion on this topic
> with Florian)
>  -> Just recompute the keys, using a local variable, from packet
> content. Yes, it will be more expensive, but hey, we get what we want.
> 
> Same for sfq : your skb_get_hash_perturb() doesn't address the point I
> made earlier.
> 
> It is only giving a false sense of security.
> I would rather not spread it.
> (Note that there is no documentation or changelog to explain the
> pro/cons)
> 
> I doubt OVS would condense their flow keys in a single u32...

I'm largely siding with Eric on this.  And the Choke argument is
a strong one.

Therefore I'm deferring this series for now, more thought and work
is definitely needed.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-05 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-04 18:39 [PATCH net-next 0/6] net: Call skb_get_hash in qdiscs Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 18:39 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] net: Add skb_get_hash_perturb Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 18:40 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] sched: Eliminate use of flow_keys in sch_choke Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 18:40 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] sched: Eliminate use of flow_keys in sch_fq_codel Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 18:40 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] sched: Eliminate use of flow_keys in sch_hhf Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 18:40 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] sched: Eliminate use of flow_keys in sch_sfb Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 18:40 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] sched: Eliminate use of flow_keys in sch_sfq Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 20:03 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] net: Call skb_get_hash in qdiscs Eric Dumazet
2015-03-04 21:49   ` Tom Herbert
2015-03-04 22:31     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-03-05 21:06   ` David Miller [this message]
2015-03-05 11:13 ` David Laight
2015-03-05 17:19   ` Tom Herbert
2015-03-05 17:59     ` Eric Dumazet

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