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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, "Shi, Yang" <yang.shi@linaro.org>,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>, Z Lim <zlim.lnx@gmail.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xi Wang <xi.wang@gmail.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:58:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151111125807.GP17308@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151111123831.GJ9562@arm.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:38:31PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Hmm, gcc doesn't have an eBPF compiler backend, so this won't work on
> > gcc at all. The eBPF backend in LLVM recognizes the __sync_fetch_and_add()
> > keyword and maps that to a BPF_XADD version (BPF_W or BPF_DW). In the
> > interpreter (__bpf_prog_run()), as Eric mentioned, this maps to atomic_add()
> > and atomic64_add(), respectively. So the struct bpf_insn prog[] you saw
> > from sock_example.c can be regarded as one possible equivalent program
> > section output from the compiler.
> 
> Ok, so if I understand you correctly, then __sync_fetch_and_add() has
> different semantics depending on the backend target. That seems counter
> to the LLVM atomics Documentation:
> 
>   http://llvm.org/docs/Atomics.html
> 
> which specifically calls out the __sync_* primitives as being
> sequentially-consistent and requiring barriers on ARM (which isn't the
> case for atomic[64]_add in the kernel).
> 
> If we re-use the __sync_* naming scheme in the source language, I don't
> think we can overlay our own semantics in the backend. The
> __sync_fetch_and_add primitive is also expected to return the old value,
> which doesn't appear to be the case for BPF_XADD.

Yikes. That's double fail. Please don't do this.

If you use the __sync stuff (and I agree with Will, you should not) it
really _SHOULD_ be sequentially consistent, which means full barriers
all over the place.

And if you name something XADD (exchange and add, or fetch-add) then it
had better return the previous value.

atomic*_add() does neither.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-10 22:41 [PATCH 0/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF_ST and BPF_XADD instructions support Yang Shi
2015-11-10 22:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm64: bpf: add 'store immediate' instruction Yang Shi
2015-11-11  2:45   ` Z Lim
2015-11-11 12:12     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:39       ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 19:33         ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-13  3:45           ` Z Lim
2015-11-23 19:34             ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-10 22:41 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm64: bpf: add BPF XADD instruction Yang Shi
2015-11-11  0:08   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11  0:26     ` Shi, Yang
2015-11-11  0:42       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11  2:52         ` Z Lim
2015-11-11  8:49           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-11 10:24             ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 10:42               ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 11:58                 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:21                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 12:38                     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 12:58                       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-11-11 15:52                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 16:23                           ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 17:27                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 17:35                               ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:44                                 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 19:01                                   ` David Miller
2015-11-11 17:57                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:11                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 18:31                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:41                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:44                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:54                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:55                                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-11 22:21                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 23:40                                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-12  8:57                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 18:50                                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 19:04                                         ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:23                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:41                                           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-11 18:46                                     ` Will Deacon
2015-11-11 19:01                                     ` David Miller

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