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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: hannes@stressinduktion.org
Cc: lorenzo@google.com, eric.dumazet@gmail.com,
	stephen@networkplumber.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	edumazet@google.com, ek@google.com, maze@google.com,
	dtor@google.com
Subject: Re: Add a SOCK_DESTROY operation to close sockets from userspace
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:49:19 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151118.224919.452852815199526735.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447879416.562854.443622857.62708268@webmail.messagingengine.com>

From: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:43:36 +0100

> Basically my concern is the same one I tried to express in the other
> patch about Florian's patch "[PATCH -next] net: tcp: move to
> timewait when receiving data post active-close": we could give the
> socket back way too early so the quadruple can be reused. If
> timestamps are not in use or we are dealing with NAT were we have
> dozens of synchronized clocks behind the masquerading device, we
> could end up in accepting delayed data. Especially this scenario can
> come up when the address is actually not released but someone uses
> this feature on a server.

Ok, these are legitimate concerns.

What if we implemented this the other way.  The operations that make
the sockets no longer connected to the world, close them.  The route
delete during address removal does the socket scan and then the done
calls on those sockets.

Likewise a VPN or network realm/namespace configuration change can do
similarly.

That way we are guaranteed to only tcp_done() these sockets strictly
in situations where we know that they have been fully disconnected
from the network.

The more I think about it more the more I agree with him and dislike
having user space make sure "it's ok", that isn't where TCP protocol
semantic rules are implemented.  It belongs in the kernel.

Whether we do this or not, that's the policy part and userland can
therefore tell us what it wants when it removes addresses or whatever.

But userland should not be doing the socket scan and triggering the
closes, _no_ _way_.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-19  3:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-18  1:43 Add a SOCK_DESTROY operation to close sockets from userspace Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18  1:43 ` [PATCH 1/4] net: diag: split inet_diag_dump_one_icsk into two Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18  1:43 ` [PATCH 2/4] net: diag: Add the ability to destroy a socket from userspace Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18  1:43 ` [PATCH 3/4] net: diag: Support SOCK_DESTROY for inet sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18  1:43 ` [PATCH 4/4] net: diag: Support destroying TCP sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18  3:43   ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-18  4:46     ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18  4:25   ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-18  3:27 ` Add a SOCK_DESTROY operation to close sockets from userspace Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]   ` <CAAedzxqiXnKzCyevNipNnXEc_+TEjnVphLfseTo4ykZ8SAVt_w@mail.gmail.com>
2015-11-18  3:36     ` Erik Kline
2015-11-18  3:57   ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2015-11-18 11:56     ` David Laight
2015-11-18  4:04   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-18 10:19     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-18 10:47       ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18 11:19         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-18 12:54           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-18 13:04           ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18 13:31             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-18 14:45               ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18 14:56                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-18 15:16                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-18 15:32                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-18 15:33                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-18 20:35         ` David Miller
2015-11-18 20:43           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19  3:49             ` David Miller [this message]
2015-11-19  5:12               ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-19 15:54                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 23:54                   ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2015-11-19  5:13               ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-19  5:53                 ` David Miller
2015-11-19  7:19                   ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2015-11-19 15:48                     ` David Miller
2015-11-19 16:19                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 16:33                         ` David Miller
2015-11-19 16:43                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 16:50                             ` David Miller
2015-11-19 16:47                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 17:02                             ` David Miller
2015-11-19 17:44                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 22:55                           ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-19 17:08                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 17:38                           ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-19 18:09                             ` David Miller
2015-11-19 18:27                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 23:02                                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 23:47                                   ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-19 22:33                             ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-19 22:38                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 23:24                                 ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-19 21:29                         ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-19 21:41                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 21:53                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 22:04                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 22:09                                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 22:15                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 22:31                                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-19 22:36                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 21:53                             ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-19 22:07                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-19 22:14                                 ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-19 22:33                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-20  0:04                                     ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-20  0:09                                       ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-20  0:15                                         ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-20  2:25                                           ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2015-12-01  2:32                                             ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-01  2:32                                               ` [PATCH v3 1/4] net: diag: split inet_diag_dump_one_icsk into two Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-01  2:32                                               ` [PATCH v3 2/4] net: diag: Add the ability to destroy a socket from userspace Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-01  2:32                                               ` [PATCH v3 3/4] net: diag: Support SOCK_DESTROY for inet sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-01  2:32                                               ` [PATCH v3 4/4] net: diag: Support destroying TCP sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-01  6:23                                                 ` kbuild test robot
2015-12-01  7:12                                                   ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-01  2:53                                               ` Add a SOCK_DESTROY operation to close sockets from userspace Tom Herbert
2015-12-02 15:18                                                 ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-02 16:12                                                   ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-02 16:30                                                     ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-02 17:09                                                       ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-14 17:29                                                     ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-14 17:29                                                       ` [PATCH v5 1/4] net: diag: Add the ability to destroy a socket Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-14 17:29                                                       ` [PATCH v5 2/4] net: diag: split inet_diag_dump_one_icsk into two Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-14 17:29                                                       ` [PATCH v5 3/4] net: diag: Support SOCK_DESTROY for inet sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-14 17:29                                                       ` [PATCH v5 4/4] net: diag: Support destroying TCP sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-14 17:51                                                         ` kbuild test robot
2015-12-14 17:52                                                         ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-14 18:03                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-14 19:37                                                         ` David Miller
2015-12-15 17:17                                                           ` [PATCH v5 4/4] net: diag: Support destroying TCP socketsr Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-15 17:17                                                             ` [PATCH v6 1/4] net: diag: split inet_diag_dump_one_icsk into two Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-15 17:44                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 17:17                                                             ` [PATCH v6 2/4] net: diag: Add the ability to destroy a socket Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-15 17:44                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 17:17                                                             ` [PATCH v6 3/4] net: diag: Support SOCK_DESTROY for inet sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-15 17:45                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 17:17                                                             ` [PATCH v6 4/4] net: diag: Support destroying TCP sockets Lorenzo Colitti
2015-12-15 17:46                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 18:36                                                             ` [PATCH v5 4/4] net: diag: Support destroying TCP socketsr Maciej Żenczykowski
2015-12-15 18:46                                                               ` Rustad, Mark D
2015-12-15 18:38                                                             ` David Miller
2015-11-20  0:12                         ` Add a SOCK_DESTROY operation to close sockets from userspace Maciej Żenczykowski
2015-11-20  0:19                   ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-20  0:55                     ` David Miller
2015-11-20  1:00                       ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2015-11-20  1:55                       ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-20 16:51                         ` David Ahern
2015-11-18  3:56 ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-18  4:23   ` Lorenzo Colitti
2015-11-18  4:31     ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-18 10:12 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa

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