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From: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: fw@strlen.de, tom@herbertland.com, hannes@stressinduktion.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com, davejwatson@fb.com,
	alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/6] kcm: Kernel Connection Multiplexor (KCM)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:25:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151124162515.GA22266@breakpoint.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151124.105537.185897620062606312.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:27:44 +0100
> 
> > Aside from Hannes comment -- KCM seems to be tied to the TLS work, i.e.
> > I have the impression that KCM without ability to do TLS in the kernel
> > is pretty much useless for whatever use case Tom has in mind.
> 
> I do not get this impression at all.
> 
> Tom's design document in the final patch looks legitimately what the
> core use case is.

You mean
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/547054/ ?

Its a well-written document, but I don't see how moving the burden of
locking a single logical tcp connection (to prevent threads from
reading a partial record) from userspace to kernel is an improvement.

If you really have 100 threads and must use a single tcp connection
to multiplex some arbitrarily complex record-format in atomic fashion,
then your requirements suck.

Now, arguably, maybe the requirements of Toms use case are restricted
/cannot be avoided.

But that still begs the question: Why should mainline care?

Once its in, next step will be 'my single tcp connection that I use
for multiplexing via KCM now has requirement to use TLS'.

How far are you willing to take the KCM concept?

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-24 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-20 21:21 [PATCH net-next 0/6] kcm: Kernel Connection Multiplexor (KCM) Tom Herbert
2015-11-20 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] rcu: Add list_next_or_null_rcu Tom Herbert
2015-11-20 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] net: Make sock_alloc exportable Tom Herbert
2015-11-20 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] net: Add MSG_BATCH flag Tom Herbert
2015-11-23 10:02   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-20 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] kcm: Kernel Connection Multiplexor module Tom Herbert
2015-11-20 22:50   ` Sowmini Varadhan
2015-11-20 23:19     ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-20 23:27       ` Sowmini Varadhan
2015-11-20 23:10   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-20 23:20     ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-23  9:42   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-11-20 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] kcm: Add statistics and proc interfaces Tom Herbert
2015-11-20 21:22 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] kcm: Add description in Documentation Tom Herbert
2015-11-23  9:53 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] kcm: Kernel Connection Multiplexor (KCM) Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-23 12:43   ` Sowmini Varadhan
2015-11-23 17:33   ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-23 19:35     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-23 19:54     ` David Miller
2015-11-23 20:02       ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-24 11:25       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 15:49         ` David Miller
2015-11-24 15:27       ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 15:49         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-24 18:09           ` Rick Jones
2015-11-24 15:55         ` David Miller
2015-11-24 16:25           ` Florian Westphal [this message]
2015-11-24 17:00             ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-24 17:16               ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 17:43                 ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-24 20:55                   ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 21:49                     ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-24 22:22                       ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 22:25                         ` David Miller
2015-11-24 22:45                           ` Florian Westphal
2015-11-24 23:13                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 18:23             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 18:59               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-11-24 19:16                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 19:26                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-24 20:23                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]                     ` <1448402288.1489559.449199721.64EBB346@webmail.messagingengine.com>
     [not found]                       ` <20151124222109.GA86838@ast-mbp.thefacebook.com>
2015-11-25 10:38                         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-11-25 16:26             ` Sowmini Varadhan

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