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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton-vpEMnDpepFuMZCB2o+C8xQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFD] workqueue: WQ_MEM_RECLAIM usage in network drivers
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:32:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160317213216.731d1fcc@synchrony.poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160317164546.GT21104-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:45:46 -0700
Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Years ago, workqueue got reimplemented to use common worker pools
> across different workqueues and a new set of more expressive workqueue
> creation APIs, alloc_*workqueue() were introduced.  The old
> create_*workqueue() became simple wrappers around alloc_*workqueue()
> with the most conservative parameters.  The plan has always been to
> examine each usage and convert to the new interface with parameters
> actually required for the use case.
> 
> One important flag to decide upon is WQ_MEM_RECLAIM, which declares
> that the workqueue may be depended upon during memory reclaim and thus
> must be able to make forward-progress even when further memory can't
> be allocated without reclaiming some.  Of the network drivers which
> already use alloc_*workqueue() interface, some specify this flag and
> I'm wondering what the guidelines should be here.
> 
> * Are network devices expected to be able to serve as a part of
>   storage stack which is depended upon for memory reclamation?
> 

I think they should be. Cached NFS pages can consume a lot of memory,
and flushing them generally takes network device access.

> * If so, are all the pieces in place for that to work for all (or at
>   least most) network devices?  If it's only for a subset of NICs, how
>   can one tell whether a given driver needs forward progress guarantee
>   or not?
> 
> * I assume that wireless drivers aren't and can't be used in this
>   fashion.  Is that a correction assumption?
> 

People do mount NFS over wireless interfaces. It's not terribly common
though, in my experience.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-03-18  1:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-17 16:45 [RFD] workqueue: WQ_MEM_RECLAIM usage in network drivers Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20160317164546.GT21104-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-18  1:32   ` Jeff Layton [this message]
     [not found]     ` <20160317213216.731d1fcc-08S845evdOaAjSkqwZiSMmfYqLom42DlXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-18 20:46       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20160318204623.GM20028-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-18 21:24           ` J. Bruce Fields
2016-03-20 18:55             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20160320185507.GT20028-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-24 14:22                 ` Johannes Berg

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