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From: Jakub Kicinski via iovisor-dev <iovisor-dev-9jONkmmOlFHEE9lA1F8Ukti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
To: "Fastabend,
	John R"
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	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Ari Saha <as754m-60p5jsuXm+c@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: XDP seeking input from NIC hardware vendors
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:12:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160707171246.5be5e433@jkicinski-Precision-T1700> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D6BB30FE66EA894C9F13C9E3CDDF00F564E5FB81-5FK+k9557ZBqS6EAlXoojrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:18:11 +0000, Fastabend, John R wrote:
> The other interesting thing would be to do more than just packet
> steering but actually run a more complete XDP program. Netronome
> supports this right. The question I have though is this a stacked of
> XDP programs one or more designated for hardware and some running in
> software perhaps with some annotation in the program so the hardware
> JIT knows where to place programs or do we expect the JIT itself to
> try and decide what is best to offload. I think the easiest to start
> with is to annotate the programs.
> 
> Also as far as I know a lot of hardware can stick extra data to the
> front or end of a packet so you could push metadata calculated by the
> program here in a generic way without having to extend XDP defined
> metadata structures. Another option is to DMA the metadata to a
> specified address. With this metadata the consumer/producer XDP
> programs have to agree on the format but no one else.

Yes!

At the XDP summit we were discussing pipe-lining XDP programs in
general, with different stages of the pipeline potentially using
specific hardware capabilities or even being directly mappable on
fixed HW functions.

Designating parsing as one of specialized blocks makes sense in a long
run, probably at the first stage with recirculation possible.  We also
have some parsing HW we could utilize at some point.  However, I'm
worried that it's too early to impose constraints and APIs.  I agree
that we should first set a standard way to pass metadata across tail
calls to facilitate any form of pipe lining, regardless of which parts
of pipeline HW is able to offload.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-07 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-07 10:42 XDP seeking input from NIC hardware vendors Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-07-07 15:18 ` Fastabend, John R
     [not found]   ` <D6BB30FE66EA894C9F13C9E3CDDF00F564E5FB81-5FK+k9557ZBqS6EAlXoojrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-07 16:12     ` Jakub Kicinski via iovisor-dev [this message]
2016-07-07 17:53       ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev
     [not found]         ` <CALx6S36BADKByJAYQLMXBx1NEDaqn6fdqsCk-OdgNo5vgHrO1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-07 21:33           ` John Fastabend via iovisor-dev
2016-07-08  2:22     ` Alexei Starovoitov via iovisor-dev
     [not found]       ` <20160708022210.GA12244-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08  4:05         ` John Fastabend via iovisor-dev
     [not found]           ` <577F2689.4010602-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08  4:28             ` Alexei Starovoitov via iovisor-dev
2016-07-08 13:44         ` Jakub Kicinski via iovisor-dev
2016-07-08 15:19           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]             ` <20160708171943.0e1ce8d7-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08 16:07               ` Jakub Kicinski via iovisor-dev
2016-07-08 16:45                 ` John Fastabend via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                   ` <577FD8A5.8020700-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-08 17:51                     ` Jakub Kicinski via iovisor-dev
2016-07-09 11:27                       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-07-12  2:24                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]                           ` <20160712022423.GA47757-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:13                             ` John Fastabend via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                               ` <5785413D.4050901-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:49                                 ` Jakub Kicinski via iovisor-dev
2016-07-12 20:32                                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                                   ` <20160712223231.202cd122-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 13:31                                     ` Thomas Monjalon via iovisor-dev
2016-07-26 16:08                                       ` [iovisor-dev] " Tom Herbert
     [not found]                                         ` <CALx6S35XjCsG5EmiYBpbGk9NckQbe4VbNSGLqV7h+d16PgNGKg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 17:53                                           ` John Fastabend via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                                             ` <5797A381.90406-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-26 18:42                                               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-07-26 18:58                                               ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev

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