From: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>,
Brenden Blanco <bblanco@plumgrid.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Ari Saha <as754m@att.com>,
Or Gerlitz <gerlitz.or@gmail.com>,
john fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 04/11] net/mlx4_en: add support for fast rx drop bpf program
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:10:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160718091023.GA29198@pox.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALx6S37hihFayCBJcrr61WjER11=fDk_S_sGXaRSoC3Ukw93eA@mail.gmail.com>
On 07/15/16 at 10:49am, Tom Herbert wrote:
> I'm really missing why having a program pointer per ring could be so
> complicated. This should just a matter of maintaining a pointer to the
> BPF program program in each RX queue. If we want to latch together all
> the rings to run the same program then just have an API that does
> that-- walk all the queues and set the pointer to the program. if
> necessary this can be done atomically by taking the device down for
> the operation.
I think two different use cases are being discussed here. Running
individual programs on different rings vs providing guarantees for the
straight forward solo program use case.
Implementing the program per ring doesn't sound complicated and it
looks like we are only debating on whether to add it now or as a second
step.
For the solo program use case: an excellent property of BPF with cls_bpf
right now is that it is possible to atomically replace a BPF program
without disruption or dropping any packets (thanks to the properties of
tc). This makes updating BPF programs simple and reliable. Even map
layout updates can be managed relatively easily right now.
It should be a goal to preserve that property in XDP. As a user, I
will not expect the same guarantees when I add different programs to
different rings whereas when I add a program on net_device level I will
expect an atomic update without taking down the device.
> To me, an XDP program is just another attribute of an RX queue, it's
> really not special!. We already have a very good infrastructure for
> managing multiqueue and pretty much everything in the receive path
> operates at the queue level not the device level-- we should follow
> that model.
I agree with that but I would like to keep the current per net_device
atomic properties.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-07-18 9:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-12 7:51 [PATCH v8 00/11] Add driver bpf hook for early packet drop and forwarding Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 01/11] bpf: add XDP prog type for early driver filter Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 13:14 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-07-12 14:52 ` Tom Herbert
2016-07-12 16:08 ` Jakub Kicinski
2016-07-13 4:14 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 02/11] net: add ndo to setup/query xdp prog in adapter rx Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 03/11] rtnl: add option for setting link xdp prog Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 04/11] net/mlx4_en: add support for fast rx drop bpf program Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 12:02 ` Tariq Toukan
2016-07-13 11:27 ` David Laight
2016-07-13 14:08 ` Brenden Blanco
2016-07-14 7:25 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-07-15 3:30 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-07-15 8:21 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-07-15 16:56 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-07-15 16:18 ` Tom Herbert
2016-07-15 16:47 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-07-15 17:49 ` Tom Herbert
2016-07-18 9:10 ` Thomas Graf [this message]
2016-07-18 11:39 ` Tom Herbert
2016-07-18 12:48 ` Thomas Graf
2016-07-18 13:07 ` Tom Herbert
2016-07-19 2:45 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-07-18 19:03 ` Brenden Blanco
2016-07-15 19:09 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-07-18 4:01 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-07-18 8:35 ` Daniel Borkmann
2016-07-15 18:08 ` Tom Herbert
2016-07-15 18:45 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 05/11] Add sample for adding simple drop program to link Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 06/11] net/mlx4_en: add page recycle to prepare rx ring for tx support Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 12:09 ` Tariq Toukan
2016-07-12 21:18 ` David Miller
2016-07-13 0:54 ` Brenden Blanco
2016-07-13 7:17 ` Tariq Toukan
2016-07-13 15:40 ` Brenden Blanco
2016-07-15 21:52 ` Brenden Blanco
[not found] ` <6d638467-eea6-d3e1-6984-88a1198ef303@gmail.com>
2016-07-19 17:41 ` Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 07/11] bpf: add XDP_TX xdp_action for direct forwarding Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 08/11] net/mlx4_en: break out tx_desc write into separate function Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 12:16 ` Tariq Toukan
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 09/11] net/mlx4_en: add xdp forwarding and data write support Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 10/11] bpf: enable direct packet data write for xdp progs Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 7:51 ` [PATCH v8 11/11] bpf: add sample for xdp forwarding and rewrite Brenden Blanco
2016-07-12 14:38 ` [PATCH v8 00/11] Add driver bpf hook for early packet drop and forwarding Tariq Toukan
2016-07-13 15:00 ` Tariq Toukan
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