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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev <iovisor-dev-9jONkmmOlFHEE9lA1F8Ukti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov
	<alexei.starovoitov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tom Herbert <tom-BjP2VixgY4xUbtYUoyoikg@public.gmane.org>,
	iovisor-dev
	<iovisor-dev-9jONkmmOlFHEE9lA1F8Ukti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>,
	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs-jkUAjuhPggJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Edward Cree <ecree-s/n/eUQHGBpZroRs9YW3xA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: README: [PATCH RFC 11/11] net/mlx5e: XDP TX xmit more
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:56:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160912105655.0cb5607e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160909063048.GA67375-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 23:30:50 -0700
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 07:36:52AM +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > > >  Lets do bundling/bulking from the start!    
> > > 
> > > mlx4 already does bulking and this proposed mlx5 set of patches
> > > does bulking as well.
> > > See nothing wrong about it. RX side processes the packets and
> > > when it's done it tells TX to xmit whatever it collected.  
> > 
> > This is doing "hidden" bulking and not really taking advantage of using
> > the icache more effeciently.  
> > 
> > Let me explain the problem I see, little more clear then, so you
> > hopefully see where I'm going.
> > 
> > Imagine you have packets intermixed towards the stack and XDP_TX. 
> > Every time you call the stack code, then you flush your icache.  When
> > returning to the driver code, you will have to reload all the icache
> > associated with the XDP_TX, this is a costly operation.  
> 
> correct. And why is that a problem?

It is good that you can see and acknowledge the I-cache problem.

XDP is all about performance.  What I hear is, that you are arguing
against a model that will yield better performance, that does not make
sense to me.  Let me explain this again, in another way.

This is a mental model switch.  Stop seeing the lowest driver RX as
something that works on a per packet basis.  Maybe is it is easier to
understand if we instead see this as vector processing?  This is about
having a vector of packets, where we apply some action/operation.

This is about using the CPU more efficiently, getting it to do more
instructions per cycle (directly measurable with perf, while I-cache
is not directly measurable).


Lets assume everything fits into the I-cache (XDP+driver code). The
CPU-frontend still have to decode the instructions from the I-cache
into micro-ops.  The next level of optimizations is to reuse the
decoded I-cache by running it on all elements in the packet-vector.

The Intel "64 and IA-32 Architectures Optimization Reference Manual"
(section 3.4.2.6 "Optimization for Decoded ICache"[1][2]), states make
sure each hot code block is less than about 500 instructions.  Thus,
the different "stages" working on the packet-vector, need to be rather
small and compact.

[1] http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/64-ia-32-architectures-optimization-manual.html
[2] http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/manuals/64-ia-32-architectures-optimization-manual.pdf



Notice: The same mental model switch applies to delivery packets to
the regular netstack.  I've brought this up before[3].  Instead of
flushing the drivers I-cache for every packet, by calling the stack,
let instead bundle up N-packets in the driver before calling the
stack.  I showed 10% speedup by a naive implementation of this
approach.  Edward Cree also showed[4] a 10% performance boost, and
went further into the stack, showing a 25% increase.

A goal is also, to make optimizing netstack code-size independent of
the driver code-size, by separating the netstacks I-cache usage from
the drivers.

[3] http://lists.openwall.net/netdev/2016/01/15/51
[4] http://lists.openwall.net/netdev/2016/04/19/89
-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  Author of http://www.iptv-analyzer.org
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-12  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-07 12:42 [PATCH RFC 00/11] mlx5 RX refactoring and XDP support Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 01/11] net/mlx5e: Single flow order-0 pages for Striding RQ Saeed Mahameed
     [not found]   ` <1473252152-11379-2-git-send-email-saeedm-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-07 17:31     ` Alexei Starovoitov via iovisor-dev
     [not found]       ` <20160907173131.GA64688-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15 14:34         ` Tariq Toukan via iovisor-dev
2016-09-07 19:18     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]       ` <20160907211840.36c37ea0-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15 14:28         ` Tariq Toukan via iovisor-dev
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 02/11] net/mlx5e: Introduce API for RX mapped pages Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 03/11] net/mlx5e: Implement RX mapped page cache for page recycle Saeed Mahameed
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2016-09-07 18:45     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]       ` <20160907204501.08cc4ede-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-13 10:16         ` Tariq Toukan via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-13 16:28             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 04/11] net/mlx5e: Build RX SKB on demand Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 17:34   ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]     ` <20160907173449.GB64688-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-18 15:46       ` Tariq Toukan via iovisor-dev
     [not found]   ` <1473252152-11379-5-git-send-email-saeedm-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-07 19:32     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 05/11] net/mlx5e: Union RQ RX info per RQ type Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 06/11] net/mlx5e: Slightly reduce hardware LRO size Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 07/11] net/mlx5e: Dynamic RQ type infrastructure Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 08/11] net/mlx5e: XDP fast RX drop bpf programs support Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 13:32   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <CAJ3xEMhh=fu+mrCGAjv1PDdGn9GPLJv9MssMzwzvppoqZUY01A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-07 14:48       ` Saeed Mahameed via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-07 16:54           ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-07 17:07               ` Saeed Mahameed via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-08  7:19                   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-07 20:55     ` Or Gerlitz via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-07 21:53         ` Saeed Mahameed via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-08  7:10             ` Or Gerlitz via iovisor-dev
2016-09-08  7:38         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-09-08  9:31           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]             ` <CAJ3xEMiDBZ2-FdE7wniW0Y_S6k8NKfKEdy3w+1vs83oPuMAG5Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-08  9:52               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-09-14  9:24               ` Tariq Toukan via iovisor-dev
2016-09-08 10:58   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 09/11] net/mlx5e: Have a clear separation between different SQ types Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 10/11] net/mlx5e: XDP TX forwarding support Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC 11/11] net/mlx5e: XDP TX xmit more Saeed Mahameed
2016-09-07 13:44   ` John Fastabend
     [not found]     ` <57D019B2.7070007-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-07 14:40       ` Saeed Mahameed via iovisor-dev
2016-09-07 14:41   ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]     ` <1473259302.10725.31.camel-XN9IlZ5yJG9HTL0Zs8A6p+yfmBU6pStAUsxypvmhUTTZJqsBc5GL+g@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-07 15:08       ` Saeed Mahameed via iovisor-dev
2016-09-07 15:32         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-09-07 16:57           ` Saeed Mahameed
     [not found]             ` <CALzJLG9iVpS2qH5Ryc_DtEjrQMhcKD+qrLrGn=vet=_9N8eXPw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-07 18:19               ` Eric Dumazet via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-07 20:09                   ` Saeed Mahameed via iovisor-dev
2016-09-07 18:22               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                 ` <20160907202234.55e18ef3-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-08  2:58                   ` John Fastabend via iovisor-dev
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2016-09-08  3:21                       ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev
2016-09-08  5:11                         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
     [not found]                           ` <20160908071119.776cce56-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-08 16:26                             ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev
2016-09-08 17:19                               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                                 ` <20160908191914.197ce7ec-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-08 18:16                                   ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev
2016-09-08 18:48                                     ` Rick Jones
2016-09-08 18:52                                       ` Eric Dumazet
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2016-09-08  8:11     ` README: " Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]       ` <20160908101147.1b351432-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-09  3:22         ` Alexei Starovoitov via iovisor-dev
     [not found]           ` <20160909032202.GA62966-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-09  5:36             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]               ` <20160909073652.351d76d7-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-09  6:30                 ` Alexei Starovoitov via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                   ` <20160909063048.GA67375-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12  8:56                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev [this message]
     [not found]                       ` <20160912105655.0cb5607e-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 17:53                         ` Alexei Starovoitov via iovisor-dev
2016-09-12 11:30                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-09-12 19:56                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]                         ` <20160912195626.GA18146-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 20:48                           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
2016-09-09 19:02                 ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev
2016-09-09 15:03           ` [iovisor-dev] " Saeed Mahameed
     [not found]             ` <CALzJLG_r0pDJgxqqak5=NatT8tF7UP2NkGS1wjeWcS5C=Zvv2A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 10:15               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                 ` <20160912121530.4b4f0ad7-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 21:45                   ` Tom Herbert via iovisor-dev
2016-09-13 15:20                 ` [iovisor-dev] " Edward Cree
     [not found]                   ` <d8a477c6-5394-ab33-443f-59d75a58f430-s/n/eUQHGBpZroRs9YW3xA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-13 15:58                     ` Eric Dumazet via iovisor-dev
     [not found]                       ` <1473782310.18970.138.camel-XN9IlZ5yJG9HTL0Zs8A6p+yfmBU6pStAUsxypvmhUTTZJqsBc5GL+g@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-13 16:47                         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer via iovisor-dev
     [not found] ` <1473252152-11379-1-git-send-email-saeedm-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-09 15:10   ` [PATCH RFC 00/11] mlx5 RX refactoring and XDP support Saeed Mahameed via iovisor-dev

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