From: Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, tgraf@suug.ch,
jhs@mojatatu.com, roopa@cumulusnetworks.com,
john.fastabend@gmail.com, simon.horman@netronome.com,
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ogerlitz@mellanox.com, linville@tuxdriver.com,
andy@greyhouse.net, f.fainelli@gmail.com,
dsa@cumulusnetworks.com, vivien.didelot@savoirfairelinux.com,
andrew@lunn.ch, ivecera@redhat.com,
"Maciej Żenczykowski" <zenczykowski@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Let's do P4
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 15:49:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161029154903.25deb6db@jkicinski-Precision-T1700> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161029075328.GB1692@nanopsycho.orion>
On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:53:28 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> The network world is divided into 2 general types of hw:
> 1) network ASICs - network specific silicon, containing things like TCAM
> These ASICs are suitable to be programmed by P4.
> 2) network processors - basically a general purpose CPUs
> These processors are suitable to be programmed by eBPF.
>
> I believe that by now, the most people came to a conclusion that it is
> very difficult to handle both types by either P4 or eBPF. And since
> eBPF is part of the kernel, I would like to introduce P4 into kernel
> as well. Here's a plan:
>
> 1) Define P4 intermediate representation
> I cannot imagine loading P4 program (c-like syntax text file) into
> kernel as is. That means that as the first step, we need find some
> intermediate representation. I can imagine someting in a form of AST,
> call it "p4ast". I don't really know how to do this exactly though,
> it's just an idea.
>
> In the end there would be a userspace precompiler for this:
> $ makep4ast example.p4 example.ast
Maybe stating the obvious, but IMHO defining the IR is the hardest part.
eBPF *is* the IR, we can compile C, P4 or even JIT Lua to eBPF. The
AST/IR for switch pipelines should allow for similar flexibility.
Looser coupling would also protect us from changes in spec of the high
level language.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-10-29 14:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-10-29 7:53 Let's do P4 Jiri Pirko
2016-10-29 9:39 ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-29 10:10 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-29 11:15 ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-29 11:28 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-29 12:09 ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-29 13:58 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-29 14:54 ` Jakub Kicinski
2016-10-29 14:58 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-29 14:49 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2016-10-29 14:55 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-29 16:46 ` John Fastabend
2016-10-30 7:44 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-30 10:26 ` Thomas Graf
2016-10-30 16:38 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-30 17:45 ` Jakub Kicinski
2016-10-30 18:01 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-30 18:44 ` Jakub Kicinski
2016-10-30 19:56 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-30 21:14 ` John Fastabend
2016-10-30 22:39 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-10-31 6:03 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2016-10-31 7:47 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-31 9:39 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-31 16:53 ` John Fastabend
2016-10-31 17:12 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-31 18:32 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-10-31 19:35 ` John Fastabend
2016-11-01 8:46 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-11-01 15:13 ` John Fastabend
2016-11-02 8:07 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-11-02 15:18 ` John Fastabend
2016-11-02 15:23 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-11-02 2:29 ` Daniel Borkmann
2016-11-02 5:06 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2016-11-02 8:14 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-11-02 15:22 ` John Fastabend
2016-11-02 15:27 ` Jiri Pirko
2016-10-30 20:54 ` John Fastabend
2016-11-01 11:57 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2016-11-01 15:03 ` John Fastabend
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