From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:08:48 +0200 Message-ID: <20161125230735-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> References: <20161125112203.GA26611@leverpostej> <32dfca07-59f3-b75a-3154-cf6b6c8538f0@de.ibm.com> <20161125122356.GB26611@leverpostej> <20161125124044.GN3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20161125124404.GI3174@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20161125145512.GA4014@Boquns-MacBook-Pro.local> <20161125161004.GA30181@leverpostej> <20161125161709.GQ3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Rutland , Davidlohr Bueso , KVM list , dbueso@suse.de, Peter Zijlstra , netdev , Boqun Feng , LKML , virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, Paul McKenney , Linus Torvalds , Dmitry Vyukov To: Christian Borntraeger Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: virtualization-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Errors-To: virtualization-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org List-Id: netdev.vger.kernel.org On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:49:45PM +0100, Christian Borntraeger wrote: > On 11/25/2016 05:17 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:10:04PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:21:39PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote: > > > >>> What are use cases for such primitive that won't be OK with "read once > >>> _and_ atomically"? > >> > >> I have none to hand. > > > > Whatever triggers the __builtin_memcpy() paths, and even the size==8 > > paths on 32bit. > > > > You could put a WARN in there to easily find them. > > There were several cases that I found during writing the *ONCE stuff. > For example there are some 32bit ppc variants with 64bit PTEs. Some for > others (I think sparc). And the mm/ code is perfectly fine with these > PTE accesses being done NOT atomic. In that case do we even need _ONCE at all? Are there assumptions these are two 32 bit reads? > > > > > The advantage of introducing the SINGLE_{LOAD,STORE}() helpers is that > > they compiletime validate this the size is 'right' and can runtime check > > alignment constraints. > > > > IE, they are strictly stronger than {READ,WRITE}_ONCE(). > >