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From: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
To: Alexandre Belloni
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/51] rtc: stop using rtc deprecated functions
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:26:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170620132620.GA16881@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170620122400.sm7qqvwyj6cuzarw-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>

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On Tue 2017-06-20 14:24:00, Alexandre Belloni wrote:
> On 20/06/2017 at 14:10:11 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > On Tue 2017-06-20 12:03:48, Alexandre Belloni wrote:
> > > On 20/06/2017 at 11:35:08 +0200, Benjamin Gaignard wrote:
> > > > rtc_time_to_tm() and rtc_tm_to_time() are deprecated because they
> > > > rely on 32bits variables and that will make rtc break in y2038/2016.
> > > 
> > > Please don't, because this hide the fact that the hardware will not
> > > handle dates in y2038 anyway and as pointed by Russell a few month ago,
> > > rtc_time_to_tm will be able to catch it but the 64 bit version will
> > > silently ignore it.
> > 
> > Reference? Because rtc on PCs stores date in binary coded decimal, so
> > it is likely to break in 2100, not 2038...
> 
> I'm not saying it should be done but clearly, that is not the correct
> thing to do for RTCs that are using a single 32 bits register to store
> the time.
> You give one example, I can give you three: armada38x, at91sam9,
> at32ap700x and that just in the beginning of the series.

I wanted reference to Russell's mail.

> And yes, on PC, they will break in 2100, other in 2106, some in 2070.
> I've delayed the tree wide patching until I manage to finish reworking
> the infrastructure needed to handle the limits of the RTCs.

Kernel does not know if it has working RTC or not, so it should use
64bit variables. Merging this -- does not hide anything. Yes, some
drivers still may have problems -- so we fix the drivers.

You said:

> > > rtc_time_to_tm will be able to catch it but the 64 bit will
> > > silently ignore it.

If that's the case, we may need 64bit version to be smarter.. but
we'll still need 64bit variables in the kernel.
									Pavel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-20 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-20  9:35 [PATCH 00/51] rtc: stop using rtc deprecated functions Benjamin Gaignard
2017-06-20  9:35 ` [PATCH 03/51] net: broadcom: " Benjamin Gaignard
     [not found] ` <1497951359-13334-1-git-send-email-benjamin.gaignard-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 10:03   ` [PATCH 00/51] rtc: " Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]     ` <20170620100348.zh4ygvjjgnhxvmvl-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 10:07       ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-06-20 12:10       ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-20 12:24         ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]           ` <20170620122400.sm7qqvwyj6cuzarw-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 13:26             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2017-06-20 13:37               ` Steve Twiss
     [not found]                 ` <6ED8E3B22081A4459DAC7699F3695FB7018CD96FCD-68WUHU125fLzLL1Oxlh9IgLouzNaz+3S@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 13:44                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-20 13:48                     ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]                       ` <20170620134827.ubvzhh25klaotupv-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 15:07                         ` Benjamin Gaignard
     [not found]                           ` <CA+M3ks68+z6nDtYM8CDpso7SxjB6Nt5E=rOc1yxx=kDz6PUeVQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 21:15                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                               ` <20170620211536.GM4902-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-21  9:26                                 ` David Laight
     [not found]                                   ` <063D6719AE5E284EB5DD2968C1650D6DD00278C0-VkEWCZq2GCInGFn1LkZF6NBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-21  9:35                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-06-20 22:08                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-21  9:14                               ` Benjamin Gaignard
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-06-20 21:35 Alexandre Belloni
     [not found] ` <20170620213507.urobmtg34vzubrdq-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-20 22:00   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-20 22:38     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-06-21  7:51     ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-21  8:39       ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]         ` <20170621083907.y3gadsmsoufa5niv-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-21  6:34           ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-21 12:35             ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]               ` <20170621123535.b5fvwlydfhnhuqll-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-21 18:08                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-21  9:19           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]             ` <20170621091948.GP4902-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-21  9:41               ` Alexandre Belloni

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