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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: jasowang@redhat.com, willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com,
	mkubecek@suse.cz, netdev@vger.kernel.org, vyasevic@redhat.com
Subject: Re: regression: UFO removal breaks kvm live migration
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:01:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171108174633-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171108.203231.310648804772108001.davem@davemloft.net>

On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 08:32:31PM +0900, David Miller wrote:
> From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:25:48 +0900
> 
> > On 2017年11月08日 17:08, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> >> That won't help in the short term. I'm still reading up to see if
> >> there are
> >> any other options besides reimplement or advertise-but-drop, such as
> >> an implicit trigger that would make the guest renegotiate. It's
> >> unlikely, but
> >> worth a look..
> > 
> > Yes, this looks hard. And even if we can manage to do this, it looks
> > an overkill since it will impact all guest after migration.
> 
> Like Willem I would much prefer "advertise-but-drop" if it works.
> 
> In the long term feature renegotiation triggers are a must.
> 
> There is no way for us to remove features otherwise.

Isn't this like most userspace ABI issues? Once you add them it's very hard
to remove them, even with negotiation - too much userspace just does
if (ret)
	exit();

> In my opinion this will even make migrations more powerful.

I agree. Not sure how to avoid packet drops when doing this though.
And dropping a ton of TX packets isn't nice at all since
TX packets is what teaches the network about the new location
of the VM.

-- 
MST

      parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-08 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-07  8:02 regression: UFO removal breaks kvm live migration Michal Kubecek
2017-11-08  3:36 ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-11-08  6:26   ` David Miller
2017-11-08  7:49     ` Jason Wang
2017-11-08  8:08       ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-11-08  8:25         ` Jason Wang
2017-11-08 11:32           ` David Miller
2017-11-08 12:53             ` Jason Wang
2017-11-08 12:58               ` David Miller
2017-11-10  5:32               ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-11-10  5:59                 ` David Miller
2017-11-17 14:31                 ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-11-17 14:48                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-11-17 23:00                     ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-11-08 16:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]

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