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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: chris hyser <chris.hyser-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Daniel Micay"
	<danielmicay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)"
	<maheshb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Mahesh Bandewar"
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	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
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	Kernel-hardening
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	"Linux API" <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W . Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"David Miller" <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH resend 2/2] userns: control capabilities of some user namespaces
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 12:05:36 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171109180536.GA27994@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da764cbf-7522-06a0-6c21-adfa3eaac9c2-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Quoting chris hyser (chris.hyser-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org):
> On 11/06/2017 10:23 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> >I think I definately prefer what I mentioned in the email to Boris.
> >Basically a "permanent capability bounding set".  The normal bounding
> >set gets reset to a full set on every new user_ns creation.  In this
> >proposal, it would instead be set to the calling task's permanent
> >capability set, which starts (at boot) full, and which privileged
> >tasks can pull capabilities out of.
> 
> Actually, this may solve a similar problem I've been looking at. The
> idea was basically at strategic points in the kernel (possibly LSM
> hook sites, still evaluating, and probably syscall entry) validate
> that a task has not "magically" acquired capabilities that it or
> parent specifically said it cannot have and then take some action
> like say killing it immediately. Using your terms, basically make
> the "permanent capability set" a write-once privilege escalation
> defense. To handle the 0-day threat, perhaps make it writable but
> only with more "restrictive" values.

Would the existing capability bounding set not suffice for that?

The 'permanent' bounding set turns out to not be a good fit for
the problem being discussed in this thread, but please feel free
to start a new thread if you want to discuss your use case.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-09 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-03  0:44 [PATCH resend 2/2] userns: control capabilities of some user namespaces Mahesh Bandewar
     [not found] ` <20171103004436.40026-1-mahesh-bmGAjcP2qsnk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-04 23:53   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <20171104235346.GA17170-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-06  7:23       ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)
2017-11-06 15:03         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20171106150302.GA26634-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-06 21:33             ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
     [not found]               ` <1510003994.736.0.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-06 22:14                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                   ` <20171106221418.GA32543-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-06 22:42                     ` Christian Brauner
2017-11-07  2:16                     ` Daniel Micay
     [not found]                       ` <1510020963.736.42.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-07  3:23                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-09 18:01                           ` chris hyser
     [not found]                             ` <da764cbf-7522-06a0-6c21-adfa3eaac9c2-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-09 18:05                               ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2017-11-09 18:27                                 ` chris hyser
2017-11-06 23:17                   ` Boris Lukashev
2017-11-06 23:39                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-07  0:01                       ` Boris Lukashev
     [not found]                         ` <CAFUG7CcW077LHcQEqk7qy7iVvmi-3J8psD1Kwj45XvHThiZC6w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-07  3:28                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <20171107032802.GA6669-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-08 11:09                               ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)
2017-11-08 19:02                                 ` Christian Brauner
     [not found]                                   ` <20171108190223.vdkyepcaegmub6le-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-09  0:55                                     ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)
     [not found]                                       ` <CAF2d9jjed4Q7QvCD9Kpaa7L-Ngg3XFbJvt0jNVUUwt=52wDjjw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-09  3:21                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-09  7:13                                           ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)
2017-11-09  7:18                                           ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)
2017-11-09 16:14                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                             ` <CAF2d9jgs5MYn1dMT2mbhF=6UB2Hoo5kwmJhXuE6memBfWzkWXQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-09 21:58                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                 ` <871sl7dsh8.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-10  4:30                                                   ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)
2017-11-10  4:46                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                                     ` <20171110044645.GA3694-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-10  5:28                                                       ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)
2017-11-09 17:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-10  1:49   ` Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)

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