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From: Sowmini Varadhan <sowmini.varadhan@oracle.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rds-devel@oss.oracle.com, santosh.shilimkar@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 1/6] sock: MSG_PEEK support for sk_error_queue
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:12:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180118171251.GD24553@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1516294395.3606.23.camel@gmail.com>

On (01/18/18 08:53), Eric Dumazet wrote:
> 
> The thing is : MSG_PEEK 'support' will also need SO_PEEK_OFF support.

sure, I'll drop the MSG_PEEK idea (which I wasnt very thrilled
about anyway)

> So lets properly design things, and not re-use legacy stuff that is
> proven to be not multi-thread ready and too complex.
> 
> If you want to design a new channel of communication, do it, and
> maintain it.

My instinct is to go with the fixed size ancillary data- which itself
allows 2 options:

1. cmsg_data has a sock_extended_err preamble
   with ee_origin = SO_EE_ORIGIN_ZEROCOPY_COOKIE (or similar),
   and the ee_data is an array of 32 bit cookies (can pack at most 8 
   32-bit cookies, if we want to pack this into an skb->cb)

   Using the sock_extended_err as preamble will allow this to be usable by
   existing tcp zcopy applications (they can use the ee_origin to find
   out if this a batch of cookies or the existing hi/lo values).

2. If we have the option of passing completion-notification up as ancillary 
   data on the pollin/recvmsg channel itself (instead of MSG_ERRQUEUE)
   we dont have to try to retain "backward compat" to the
   SO_EE_ORIGIN_ZEROCOPY API: we can just use a completely new data
   struct for the notification and potentially pack more cookies into
   48 bytes (RDS could be the first guinea pig for this- doesnt even
   have to be done across all protocol families on day-1).

I think the shmem channel suggestion would be an optional optimization
that can be added later- it may not even be necessary, since most
applications will likely be sending *and* receiving data, so passing up
cookies with recvmsg should be "good enough" to save syscall overhead
for the common case.

I can work #2, if there are no objections to it.

--Sowmini

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-18 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-17 12:19 [PATCH RFC net-next 0/6] rds: zerocopy support Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-17 12:19 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 1/6] sock: MSG_PEEK support for sk_error_queue Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-17 23:50   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-01-18 11:02     ` Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18 15:54       ` Eric Dumazet
2018-01-18 16:10         ` Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18 16:53           ` Eric Dumazet
2018-01-18 17:12             ` Sowmini Varadhan [this message]
2018-01-18 22:54               ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-01-18 23:03                 ` Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18 23:09                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-01-18 23:20                     ` Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18 23:24                       ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-01-18 15:51   ` Eric Dumazet
2018-01-17 12:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 2/6] skbuff: export mm_[un]account_pinned_pages for other modules Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-17 12:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 3/6] rds: hold a sock ref from rds_message to the rds_sock Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-17 12:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 4/6] sock: permit SO_ZEROCOPY on PF_RDS socket Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18  0:03   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-01-17 12:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 5/6] rds: support for zcopy completion notification Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18  0:23   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-01-18 11:40     ` Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18 22:46       ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-01-17 12:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 6/6] rds: zerocopy Tx support Sowmini Varadhan
2018-01-18  0:32   ` Willem de Bruijn

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