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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: laforge@gnumonks.org
Cc: daniel@iogearbox.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] net: add bpfilter
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:36:51 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180219.103651.309290718144247274.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180219152321.GG5490@nataraja>

From: Harald Welte <laforge@gnumonks.org>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:23:21 +0100

>> Like it or not iptables ABI based filtering is going to be in the data
>> path for many years if not a decade or more to come.  
> 
> I beg to differ.  For some people, yes.  but then, as Florian points
> out, they can just as well use the existing x_tables kernel code.  If
> they want something better, they can either replace their iptables
> program with xtables-compat from nftables, or whatever else might
> exist for eBPF support.

nftables has been proported as "better" for years, yet large
institutions did not migrate to it.  In fact, they explicitly
disabled NFTABLES in their kernel config.

You may want to ponder for a little while why that might be.

I think netfilter is at a real crossroads right now.

In my opinion, any resistence to integration with eBPF and XDP will
lead to even less adoption of netfilter as a technology.

Therefore my plan is to move everything to be integrated around these
important core technologies.  For the purposes of integration, code
coverage, performance, and the ability to juxtapose different bits of
eBPF code into larger optimized code streams that can also be
offloaded into hardware.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-19 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-16 13:40 [PATCH RFC 0/4] net: add bpfilter Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-16 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] modules: allow insmod load regular elf binaries Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-16 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] bpf: introduce bpfilter commands Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-16 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] net: initial bpfilter skeleton Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-16 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] bpf: rough bpfilter codegen example hack Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-16 14:57 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] net: add bpfilter Florian Westphal
2018-02-16 16:14   ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-16 20:44     ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-17 12:33       ` Harald Welte
2018-02-17 19:18       ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-16 22:33     ` David Miller
2018-02-17 12:21       ` Harald Welte
2018-02-17 20:10       ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-17 22:38         ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-16 16:53   ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-16 22:32   ` David Miller
2018-02-17 12:11 ` Harald Welte
2018-02-18  0:35   ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-19 12:03   ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-19 12:52     ` Harald Welte
2018-02-19 14:44       ` David Miller
2018-02-19 14:53         ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-19 15:07           ` David Miller
2018-02-19 15:20             ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-19 15:28               ` David Miller
2018-02-19 15:23         ` Harald Welte
2018-02-19 15:32           ` David Miller
2018-02-19 15:37             ` Jan Engelhardt
2018-02-19 15:43               ` David Miller
2018-02-19 15:36           ` David Miller [this message]
2018-02-19 17:20             ` Harald Welte
2018-02-19 17:29               ` David Miller
2018-02-19 18:37                 ` Harald Welte
2018-02-19 18:47                   ` David Miller
2018-02-19 17:40             ` Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
2018-02-19 18:06             ` Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
2018-02-19 18:43               ` David Miller
2018-02-19 15:00     ` David Miller
2018-02-19 14:59       ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-19 15:13         ` David Miller
2018-02-19 15:15           ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-19 15:27             ` David Miller
2018-02-19 15:38               ` Harald Welte
2018-02-19 15:44                 ` David Miller
2018-02-19 17:14                   ` Phil Sutter
2018-02-19 17:22                     ` David Miller
2018-02-19 18:05                       ` Phil Sutter
2018-02-19 18:41                         ` David Miller
2018-02-19 20:41                           ` Phil Sutter
2018-02-19 21:13                       ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-20 10:44                       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2018-02-20 14:07                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-02-20 14:55                         ` David Miller
2018-02-21  1:52                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-21 12:01                           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2018-02-21 12:13                             ` Florian Westphal
2018-02-22  2:20                               ` nft/bpf interpreters and spectre2. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-22 11:39                                 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2018-02-22 17:06                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-22 18:47                                     ` Jann Horn
2018-02-19 17:41               ` Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
2018-02-19 21:30             ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2018-02-19 15:27           ` Harald Welte
2018-02-19 15:31             ` David Miller
2018-02-19 17:09               ` Phil Sutter
2018-02-19 17:15                 ` David Miller
2018-02-20 13:05                   ` Phil Sutter
2018-02-20  9:35                 ` Michal Kubecek
2018-02-20 18:10                   ` Phil Sutter
2018-02-19 17:32               ` Harald Welte
2018-02-19 17:41               ` Arturo Borrero Gonzalez
2018-02-19 21:42   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-02-18 23:35 ` Florian Westphal

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