From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from shards.monkeyblade.net ([184.105.139.130]:60530 "EHLO shards.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752048AbeBSPnS (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:43:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:43:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20180219.104316.649681283920955662.davem@davemloft.net> To: jengelh@inai.de Cc: laforge@gnumonks.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] net: add bpfilter From: David Miller In-Reply-To: References: <20180219152321.GG5490@nataraja> <20180219.103236.1510860675878377044.davem@davemloft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: From: Jan Engelhardt Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:37:57 +0100 (CET) > On Monday 2018-02-19 16:32, David Miller wrote: > >>From: Harald Welte >>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:23:21 +0100 >> >>> Also, as long as legacy ip_tables/x_tables is still in the kernel, you >>> can still run your old userspace against that old implementation in the >>> kernel. >> >>But without offloading, and the various other benefits which I have >>tried to clearly explain to both you and Florian. > > Which is actually the business model to get people *off* the old ABI in > reasonable time. Hosting companies can't change what customers run in their containers. But if they are told that a kernel upgrade will get them offloading and increase their performance termendously, then that gives them real value.