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From: Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>
To: Jesus Sanchez-Palencia <jesus.sanchez-palencia@intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, jhs@mojatatu.com,
	xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com, jiri@resnulli.us,
	vinicius.gomes@intel.com, anna-maria@linutronix.de,
	henrik@austad.us, John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	levi.pearson@harman.com, edumazet@google.com, willemb@google.com,
	mlichvar@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 net-next 13/18] net/sched: Introduce the TBS Qdisc
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:03:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180412150349.3dgkgqx4ged6t4ng@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3d1c27a2-7a21-ab80-e92b-47b415b70548@intel.com>

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 04:38:44PM -0700, Jesus Sanchez-Palencia wrote:
> Just breaking this down a bit, yes, TAI is the network time base, and the NICs
> PTP clock use that because PTP is (commonly) based on TAI. After the PHCs have
> been synchronized over the network (e.g. with ptp4l), my understanding is that
> if applications want to use the clockid_t CLOCK_TAI as a network clock reference
> it's required that something (i.e. phc2sys) is synchronizing the PHCs and the
> system clock, and also that something calls adjtime to apply the TAI vs UTC
> offset to CLOCK_TAI.

Yes.  I haven't seen any distro that sets the TAI-UTC offset after
boot, nor are there any user space tools for this.  The kernel is
ready, though.

> I was thinking about the full offload use-cases, thus when no scheduling is
> happening inside the qdiscs. Applications could just read the time from the PHC
> clocks directly without having to rely on any of the above. On this case,
> userspace would use DYNAMIC_CLOCK just to flag that this is the case, but I must
> admit it's not clear to me how common of a use-case that is, or even if it makes
> sense.

1588 allows only two timescales, TAI and ARB-itrary.  Although it
doesn't make too much sense to use ARB, still people will do strange
things.  Probably some people use UTC.  I am not advocating supporting
alternate timescales, just pointing out the possibility.

Thanks,
Richard

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-12 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-07  1:12 [RFC v3 net-next 00/18] Time based packet transmission Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 01/18] sock: Fix SO_ZEROCOPY switch case Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07 16:58   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 02/18] net: Clear skb->tstamp only on the forwarding path Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07 16:59   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-03-07 22:03     ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 03/18] posix-timers: Add CLOCKID_INVALID mask Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 04/18] net: Add a new socket option for a future transmit time Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 05/18] net: ipv4: raw: Hook into time based transmission Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07 17:00   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 06/18] net: ipv4: udp: " Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07 17:00   ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 07/18] net: packet: " Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 08/18] net: SO_TXTIME: Add clockid and drop_if_late params Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  2:53   ` Eric Dumazet
2018-03-07  5:24     ` Richard Cochran
2018-03-07 17:01       ` Willem de Bruijn
2018-03-07 17:35         ` Richard Cochran
2018-03-07 17:37           ` Richard Cochran
2018-03-07 17:47             ` Eric Dumazet
2018-03-08 16:44               ` Richard Cochran
2018-03-08 17:56                 ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-21 12:58       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-21 14:59         ` Richard Cochran
2018-03-21 15:11           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-07 21:52     ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07 22:45       ` Eric Dumazet
2018-03-07 23:03         ` David Miller
2018-03-08 11:37         ` Miroslav Lichvar
2018-03-08 16:25           ` David Miller
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 09/18] net: ipv4: raw: Handle remaining txtime parameters Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 10/18] net: ipv4: udp: " Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 11/18] net: packet: " Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 12/18] net/sched: Allow creating a Qdisc watchdog with other clocks Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 13/18] net/sched: Introduce the TBS Qdisc Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-21 13:46   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-21 22:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-22 20:25       ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-22 22:52         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-24  0:34           ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-25 11:46             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-27 23:26               ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-28  7:48                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-28 13:07                   ` Henrik Austad
2018-04-09 16:36                   ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-04-10 12:37                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-04-10 21:24                       ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-04-11 20:16                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-04-11 20:31                           ` Ivan Briano
2018-04-11 23:38                           ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-04-12 15:03                             ` Richard Cochran [this message]
2018-04-12 15:19                               ` Miroslav Lichvar
2018-04-19 10:03                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-22 20:29     ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-22 22:11       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-22 23:26         ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-23  8:49           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-23 23:34             ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-04-23 18:21     ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-04-24  8:50       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-04-24 13:50         ` David Miller
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 14/18] net/sched: Add HW offloading capability to TBS Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-21 14:22   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-21 15:03     ` Richard Cochran
2018-03-21 16:18       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-22 22:01         ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-22 23:15     ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-23  8:51       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 15/18] igb: Refactor igb_configure_cbs() Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 16/18] igb: Only change Tx arbitration when CBS is on Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 17/18] igb: Refactor igb_offload_cbs() Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  1:12 ` [RFC v3 net-next 18/18] igb: Add support for TBS offload Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-07  5:28 ` [RFC v3 net-next 00/18] Time based packet transmission Richard Cochran
2018-03-08 14:09 ` Henrik Austad
2018-03-08 18:06   ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia
2018-03-08 22:54     ` Henrik Austad
2018-03-08 23:58       ` Jesus Sanchez-Palencia

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