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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>,
	stephen@networkplumber.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, jesse.brandeburg@intel.com,
	alexander.h.duyck@intel.com, kubakici@wp.pl, jasowang@redhat.com,
	loseweigh@gmail.com, aaron.f.brown@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v9 3/4] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available
Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 18:47:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180502184326-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180502075021.GC19250@nanopsycho>

On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 09:50:21AM +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Wed, May 02, 2018 at 02:20:26AM CEST, sridhar.samudrala@intel.com wrote:
> >On 4/30/2018 12:20 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> >> 
> >> > > Now I try to change mac of the failover master:
> >> > > [root@test1 ~]# ip link set ens3 addr 52:54:00:b2:a7:f3
> >> > > RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported
> >> > > 
> >> > > That I did expect to work. I would expect this would change the mac of
> >> > > the master and both standby and primary slaves.
> >> > If a VF is untrusted, a VM will not able to change its MAC and moreover
> >> Note that at this point, I have no VF. So I'm not sure why you mention
> >> that.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > in this mode we are assuming that the hypervisor has assigned the MAC and
> >> > guest is not expected to change the MAC.
> >> Wait, for ordinary old-fashioned virtio_net, as a VM user, I can change
> >> mac and all works fine. How is this different? Change mac on "failover
> >> instance" should work and should propagate the mac down to its slaves.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > For the initial implementation, i would propose not allowing the guest to
> >> > change the MAC of failover or standby dev.
> >> I see no reason for such restriction.
> >> 
> >
> >It is true that a VM user can change mac address of a normal virtio-net interface,
> >however when it is in STANDBY mode i think we should not allow this change specifically
> >because we are creating a failover instance based on a MAC that is assigned by the
> >hypervisor.
> >
> >Moreover,  in a cloud environment i would think that PF/hypervisor assigns a MAC to
> >the VF and it cannot be changed by the guest.
> 
> So that is easy. You allow the change of the mac and in the "failover"
> mac change implementation you propagate the change down to slaves. If
> one slave does not support the change, you bail out. And since VF does

I wish people would say primary/standby and not "VF" :)

> not allow it as you say, once it will be enslaved, the mac change could
> not be done. Seems like a correct behavior to me


what if primary does not allow mac changes and is attached after
mac is changed on standy?


> and is in-sync with how
> bond/team behaves.

I think in the end virtio can just block MAC changes for simplicity.

I personally don't see softmac as a must have feature in v1,
we can add it later.

What's the situation with init scripts and whether it's
possible to make them work well would be a better question.

> 
> >
> >So for the initial implementation, do you see any issues with having this restriction
> >in STANDBY mode.
> >
> >

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-02 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-27 17:06 [PATCH net-next v9 0/4] Enable virtio_net to act as a standby for a passthru device Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-27 17:06 ` [PATCH net-next v9 1/4] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature bit Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-28  7:50   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-30  2:47     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-30  7:03       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-30 19:14         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-27 17:06 ` [PATCH net-next v9 2/4] net: Introduce generic failover module Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-27 17:53   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-28  8:15   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-30  2:47     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-28  9:06   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-30  3:03     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-05-02 16:15     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-05-02 17:51       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-05-02 20:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-02 21:36           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-05-02 21:39         ` Jiri Pirko
2018-05-02 21:39         ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-27 17:06 ` [PATCH net-next v9 3/4] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-28  8:24   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-30  3:00     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-30  7:12       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-30 19:26         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-05-01  7:33           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-28  9:42   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-29  8:56     ` Siwei Liu
2018-04-29 13:45       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-30  4:16     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-30  7:20       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-05-02  0:20         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-05-02  7:50           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-05-02 15:34             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-05-02 16:05               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-05-02 15:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-05-02 16:04               ` Jiri Pirko
2018-04-27 17:07 ` [PATCH net-next v9 4/4] netvsc: refactor notifier/event handling code to use the failover framework Sridhar Samudrala
2018-04-27 17:45 ` [PATCH net-next v9 0/4] Enable virtio_net to act as a standby for a passthru device Jiri Pirko
2018-04-27 17:53   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-04-27 19:38     ` Jiri Pirko

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