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From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: Ben Pfaff <blp@ovn.org>
Cc: Matteo Croce <mcroce@redhat.com>,
	Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@ovn.org>,
	jpettit@vmware.com, gvrose8192@gmail.com,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	dev@openvswitch.org, Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>,
	Aaron Conole <aconole@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next] openvswitch: Queue upcalls to userspace in per-port round-robin order
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 18:52:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180803185241.4ac0d1e5@epycfail> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180731220657.GC29662@ovn.org>

Hi Ben,

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:06:57 -0700
Ben Pfaff <blp@ovn.org> wrote:

> This is an awkward problem to try to solve with sockets because of the
> nature of sockets, which are strictly first-in first-out.  What you
> really want is something closer to the algorithm that we use in
> ovs-vswitchd to send packets to an OpenFlow controller.  When the
> channel becomes congested, then for each packet to be sent to the
> controller, OVS appends it to a queue associated with its input port.
> (This could be done on a more granular basis than just port.)  If the
> maximum amount of queued packets is reached, then OVS discards a packet
> from the longest queue.  When space becomes available in the channel,
> OVS round-robins through the queues to send a packet.  This achieves
> pretty good fairness but it can't be done with sockets because you can't
> drop a packet that is already queued to one.

Thanks for your feedback. What you describe is, though, functionally
equivalent to what this patch does, minus the per-port queueing limit.

However, instead of having one explicit queue for each port, and
then fetching packets in a round-robin fashion from all the queues, we
implemented this with a single queue and choose insertion points while
queueing in such a way that the result is equivalent. This way, we
avoid the massive overhead associated with having one queue per each
port (we can have up to 2^16 ports), and cycling over them.

Let's say we have two ports, A and B, and three upcalls are sent for
each port. If we implement one queue for each port as you described, we
end up with this:

.---------------- - - -
| A1 | A2 | A3 |
'---------------- - - -

.---------------- - - -
| B1 | B2 | B3 |
'---------------- - - -

and then send upcalls in this order: A1, B1, A2, B2, A3, B3.

What we are doing here with a single queue is inserting the upcalls
directly in this order:

.------------------------------- - - -
| A1 | B1 | A2 | B2 | A3 | B3 |
'------------------------------- - - -

and dequeueing from the head.

About the per-port queueing limit: we currently have a global one
(UPCALL_QUEUE_MAX_LEN), while the per-port limit is simply given by
implementation constraints in our case:

		if (dp->upcalls.count[pos->port_no] == U8_MAX - 1) {
			err = -ENOSPC;
			goto out_clear;
		}

but we can easily swap that U8_MAX - 1 with another macro or a
configurable value, if there's any value in doing that.

> My current thought is that any fairness scheme we implement directly in
> the kernel is going to need to evolve over time.  Maybe we could do
> something flexible with BPF and maps, instead of hard-coding it.

Honestly, I fail to see what else we might want to do here, other than
adding a simple mechanism for fairness, to solve the specific issue at
hand. Flexibility would probably come at a higher cost. We could easily
make limits configurable if needed. Do you have anything else in mind?

-- 
Stefano

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-03 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-04 14:23 [PATCH RFC net-next] openvswitch: Queue upcalls to userspace in per-port round-robin order Matteo Croce
     [not found] ` <20180704142342.21740-1-mcroce-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-07-10 18:31   ` Pravin Shelar
2018-07-16 16:54     ` Matteo Croce
2018-07-31 19:43       ` Matteo Croce
     [not found]         ` <CAGnkfhyxQSz=8OsgTsjR3NfZ2FPwv+FjPZNPEY5VHZRsEiQ68w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-07-31 22:06           ` Ben Pfaff
2018-08-03 16:52             ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
2018-08-03 23:01               ` Ben Pfaff
2018-08-04  0:43                 ` Stefano Brivio
2018-08-04  0:54                   ` Ben Pfaff
2018-08-10 14:11                   ` William Tu
2018-08-14 15:25                     ` Stefano Brivio
2018-07-31 23:12         ` Pravin Shelar
2018-08-07 13:31           ` Stefano Brivio
2018-08-07 13:39             ` Stefano Brivio
2018-08-15  7:19             ` Pravin Shelar
     [not found]               ` <CAOrHB_DaA-+J=jzNOdQiUYrA7RJi30HmRESjsmGs7_z1ffpVOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-16 21:07                 ` Stefano Brivio
2018-09-26  9:58               ` Stefano Brivio
2018-09-28 17:15                 ` Pravin Shelar

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