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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: "Björn Töpel" <bjorn.topel@gmail.com>
Cc: magnus.karlsson@intel.com, magnus.karlsson@gmail.com,
	ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn.topel@intel.com>,
	u9012063@gmail.com, qi.z.zhang@intel.com,
	jakub.kicinski@netronome.com, andrew@lunn.ch, brouer@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/7] Add support for XDP_ATTACH
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:50:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181217135035.0d75aa32@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181217102501.22019-1-bjorn.topel@gmail.com>

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:24:54 +0100
Björn Töpel <bjorn.topel@gmail.com> wrote:

> XDP_ATTACH associates an XDP socket to a specific netdev Rx queue. To
> redirect a packet to an attached socket from XDP, the bpf_xsk_redirect
> helper is used. The bpf_xsk_redirect helper is also introduced in this
> series.
> 
> Many XDP socket users just need a simple way of creating/binding a
> socket and receiving frames right away without a complicated XDP
> program. "Attached" XDP sockets removes the need for the XSKMAP, and
> allows for a trivial XDP program, e.g.:
> 
>   SEC("xdp")
>   int xdp_prog(struct xdp_md *ctx)
>   {
>         return bpf_xsk_redirect(ctx);
>   }
> 
> An attached XDP socket also has better performance than the XSKMAP
> based sockets (performance numbers below).

I still have a general problem with this approach.

The AF_XDP socket is build around (and gets its performance) from
being tied to a specific RX-queue.  That design begs to have an XDP
program per RX-queue.

Patchset-v1 moved towards this goal.  But in this patchset-v2 you
steer away from this again, and work-around the issue with the current
limitations of 1-XDP program per netdev.  (Which result in; if a
single AF_XDP socket is used in the system, which can ONLY be for a
single RX-queue by design, then ALL other XDP_PASS traffic also have
to take the overhead of indirect BPF call).

IMHO with this use-case, now is the time to introduce XDP programs per
RX-queue.  Yes, it will be more work, but I will offer to helpout.
This should be generalized as XDP programs per RX-queue can be used by
other use-cases too:
  In general terms: We can setup a NIC hardware filter to deliver
frame matching some criteria, then we can avoid rechecking these
criterias in on the (RX) CPU when/if we can attach an XDP prog to this
specific RX-queue directly.  This *IS* exactly what AF_XDP does, but it
is in general useful for others, like CPUMAP redirect.

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-17 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-17 10:24 [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/7] Add support for XDP_ATTACH Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 10:24 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/7] xsk: simplify AF_XDP socket teardown Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 10:24 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/7] xsk: add XDP_ATTACH bind() flag Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 10:24 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/7] bpf: add bpf_xsk_redirect function Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 10:24 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 4/7] tools/bpf: sync kernel uapi bpf.h to tools directory Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 10:24 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 5/7] libbpf: initial support for builtin BPF programs Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 10:25 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 6/7] samples: bpf: simplify/cleanup xdpsock Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 10:25 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 7/7] samples: bpf: add support for XDP_ATTACH to xdpsock Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 12:50 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2018-12-17 13:39   ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/7] Add support for XDP_ATTACH Björn Töpel
2018-12-17 14:10     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2018-12-17 14:55       ` Magnus Karlsson
2018-12-17 15:30         ` Björn Töpel
2018-12-18 23:04           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-12-19  9:34             ` Björn Töpel
2018-12-19 16:23               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2018-12-20  0:48               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-12-18  2:36     ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-12-18  8:59       ` Björn Töpel
2018-12-18 18:18         ` Jakub Kicinski

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