From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEB9C282C0 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3821C218A2 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728697AbfAYKFx (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jan 2019 05:05:53 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:4277 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727914AbfAYKFw (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jan 2019 05:05:52 -0500 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99476AC612; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elisabeth (ovpn-200-35.brq.redhat.com [10.40.200.35]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 395E160C1C; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:05:43 +0100 From: Stefano Brivio To: Roopa Prabhu Cc: Nikolay Aleksandrov , David Ahern , Phil Sutter , Eric Garver , Tomas Dolezal , Stephen Hemminger , Lennert Buytenhek , netdev Subject: Re: [PATCH iproute2-next] Introduce ip-brctl shell script Message-ID: <20190125110543.35693aee@elisabeth> In-Reply-To: References: <800cb3d3-c749-3f36-83ea-0375e67fbd33@cumulusnetworks.com> Organization: Red Hat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.13 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Fri, 25 Jan 2019 10:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org Hi Roopa, On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:33:27 -0800 Roopa Prabhu wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 7:09 AM Nikolay Aleksandrov > wrote: > > > Hi, > > IMO the effort should be towards improving iproute2 to be > > easier to use and more intuitive. We should be pushing people to > > use the new tools instead of trying to find workarounds to keep the > > old tools alive. I do like to idea of deprecating bridge-utils, but > > I think it should be done via improving ip/bridge enough to be > > pleasant to use. We will have to maintain this compatibility layer > > forever if it gets accepted and we'll never get rid of brctl this > > way. > > +1, we should move people away from brtcl. there is enough confusion > among users looking at bridge attributes., > > ip -d link show > bridge -d link show > brctl Why is this confusing? One can simply pick the most appropriate tool. > Adding a 4th one to the list is not going to ease the confusion. Why do you say I'm adding a fourth (I guess) tool? I'm replacing the third one. > We should try to make the 'ip -d link show and bridge -d link show' > outputs better. Any suggestions there from people will be useful. To be honest, I don't see any problem with them -- they just do different things. -- Stefano