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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@fb.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"daniel@iogearbox.net" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"edumazet@google.com" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"bpf@vger.kernel.org" <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Team <Kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 bpf-next 1/4] bpf: enable program stats
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:10:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190226031049.GD32115@mini-arch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2eeb7f8d-d184-07d1-2b7b-76c93b4b1bfe@fb.com>

On 02/25, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On 2/25/19 3:07 PM, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> >> +#define BPF_PROG_RUN(prog, ctx)	({				\
> >> +	u32 ret;						\
> >> +	cant_sleep();						\
> >> +	if (static_branch_unlikely(&bpf_stats_enabled_key)) {	\
> >> +		struct bpf_prog_stats *stats;			\
> >> +		u64 start = sched_clock();			\
> > QQ: why sched_clock() and not, for example, ktime_get_ns() which we do
> > in the bpf_test_run()? Or even why not local_clock?
> > I'm just wondering what king of trade off we are doing here
> > regarding precision vs run time cost.
> 
> 
> I'm making this decision based on documentation:
> Documentation/timers/timekeeping.txt
> "Compared to clock sources, sched_clock() has to be very fast: it is 
> called much more often, especially by the scheduler. If you have to do 
> trade-offs between accuracy compared to the clock source, you may 
> sacrifice accuracy for speed in sched_clock()."
So sched_clock is fast, but imprecise; and ktime_get_ns (and
lock_clock?) are slow(er), but more precise?

If that's the case, would it make sense to use a more precise
measurement? I suppose the BPF program execution time is on the order of
nanoseconds and if sched_close has msec or usec resolution, all we get is
essentially noise?

I understand that you want this feature to have almost no overhead, but
since it's gated by the static key, should we aim for a higher precision?

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-26  3:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-25 22:28 [PATCH v3 bpf-next 0/4] bpf: per program stats Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-25 22:28 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 1/4] bpf: enable " Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-25 23:07   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-02-25 23:52     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-26  3:10       ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2019-02-26  3:42         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-25 22:28 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 2/4] bpf: expose program stats via bpf_prog_info Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-25 22:28 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 3/4] tools/bpf: sync bpf.h into tools Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-25 22:28 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 4/4] tools/bpftool: recognize bpf_prog_info run_time_ns and run_cnt Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-26  0:41 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 0/4] bpf: per program stats Andrii Nakryiko
2019-02-27 16:32 ` Daniel Borkmann

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