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Date:   Mon, 10 Jun 2019 23:27:43 +0200
From:   Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To:     Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] net: phy: add state PERM_FAIL
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> Maybe the broader question is how do you, Heiner and Russell imagine a
> genuine case where the PHY does not have a firmware provided/loaded
> before Linux does take over (say, BoM cost savings dictate no flash can
> be used

I've not seen either of these PHY devices not have a FLASH. I also
wonder how long such a download to RAM takes. I suspect it is
slow. The boards i have, have a 4Mbit Flash, so, 256K 16bit words.
How long does 256K MDIO transfers take, given that they are typically
polled IO? Is that a reasonable design/cost trade off?

       Andrew