From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Dexuan Cui <decui@microsoft.com>,
Jorgen Hansen <jhansen@vmware.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Vishnu Dasa <vdasa@vmware.com>,
"K. Y. Srinivasan" <kys@microsoft.com>,
Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@microsoft.com>,
Stephen Hemminger <sthemmin@microsoft.com>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] vsock: proposal to support multiple transports at runtime
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:09:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190819130911.GE28081@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
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On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 12:09:12PM +0200, Stefano Garzarella wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> this is a v2 of a proposal addressing the comments made by Dexuan, Stefan,
> and Jorgen.
>
> v1: https://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg570274.html
>
>
>
> We can define two types of transport that we have to handle at the same time
> (e.g. in a nested VM we would have both types of transport running together):
>
> - 'host->guest' transport, it runs in the host and it is used to communicate
> with the guests of a specific hypervisor (KVM, VMWare or Hyper-V). It also
> runs in the guest who has nested guests, to communicate with them.
>
> [Phase 2]
> We can support multiple 'host->guest' transport running at the same time,
> but on x86 only one hypervisor uses VMX at any given time.
>
> - 'guest->host' transport, it runs in the guest and it is used to communicate
> with the host.
>
>
> The main goal is to find a way to decide what transport use in these cases:
> 1. connect() / sendto()
>
> a. use the 'host->guest' transport, if the destination is the guest
> (dest_cid > VMADDR_CID_HOST).
>
> [Phase 2]
> In order to support multiple 'host->guest' transports running at the same
> time, we should assign CIDs uniquely across all transports. In this way,
> a packet generated by the host side will get directed to the appropriate
> transport based on the CID.
>
> b. use the 'guest->host' transport, if the destination is the host or the
> hypervisor.
> (dest_cid == VMADDR_CID_HOST || dest_cid == VMADDR_CID_HYPERVISOR)
>
>
> 2. listen() / recvfrom()
>
> a. use the 'host->guest' transport, if the socket is bound to
> VMADDR_CID_HOST, or it is bound to VMADDR_CID_ANY and there is no
> 'guest->host' transport.
> We could also define a new VMADDR_CID_LISTEN_FROM_GUEST in order to
> address this case.
>
> [Phase 2]
> We can support network namespaces to create independent AF_VSOCK
> addressing domains:
> - could be used to partition VMs between hypervisors or at a finer
> granularity;
> - could be used to isolate host applications from guest applications
> using the same ports with CID_ANY;
>
> b. use the 'guest->host' transport, if the socket is bound to local CID
> different from the VMADDR_CID_HOST (guest CID get with
> IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_GET_LOCAL_CID), or it is bound to VMADDR_CID_ANY (to be
> backward compatible).
> Also in this case, we could define a new VMADDR_CID_LISTEN_FROM_HOST.
>
> c. shared port space between transports
> For incoming requests or packets, we should be able to choose which
> transport use, looking at the 'port' requested.
>
> - stream sockets already support shared port space between transports
> (one port can be assigned to only one transport)
>
> [Phase 2]
> - datagram sockets will support it, but for now VMCI transport is the
> default transport for any host side datagram socket (KVM and Hyper-V
> do not yet support datagrams sockets)
>
> We will make the loading of af_vsock.ko independent of the transports to
> allow to:
> - create a AF_VSOCK socket without any loaded transports;
> - listen on a socket (e.g. bound to VMADDR_CID_ANY) without any loaded
> transports;
>
> Hopefully, we could move MODULE_ALIAS_NETPROTO(PF_VSOCK) from the
> vmci_transport.ko to the af_vsock.ko.
> [Jorgen will check if this will impact the existing VMware products]
>
> Notes:
> - For Hyper-V sockets, the host can only be Windows. No changes should
> be required on the Windows host to support the changes on this proposal.
>
> - Communication between guests are not allowed on any transports, so we can
> drop packets sent from a guest to another guest (dest_cid >
> VMADDR_CID_HOST) if the 'host->guest' transport is not available.
>
> - [Phase 2] tag used to identify things that can be done at a later stage,
> but that should be taken into account during this design.
>
> - Namespace support will be developed in [Phase 2] or in a separate project.
>
>
>
> Comments and suggestions are welcome.
> I'll be on PTO for next two weeks, so sorry in advance if I'll answer later.
>
> If we agree on this proposal, when I get back, I'll start working on the code
> to get a first PATCH RFC.
Stefano,
I've reviewed your proposal and it looks good for solving nested
virtualization.
The tricky implementation details will be supporting listen sockets,
especially with VMADDR_CID_ANY so they can be accessed from both
transports.
Stefan
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2019-06-06 10:09 [RFC v2] vsock: proposal to support multiple transports at runtime Stefano Garzarella
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