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From: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
To: Hubert Feurstein <h.feurstein@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 2/4] net: mdio: add PTP offset compensation to mdiobus_write_sts
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:07:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190821080709.GO891@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFfN3gUgpzMebyUt8_-9e+5vpm3q-DVVszWdkUEFAgZQ8ex73w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 06:56:56PM +0200, Hubert Feurstein wrote:
> Am Di., 20. Aug. 2019 um 17:40 Uhr schrieb Miroslav Lichvar
> > I think a large jitter is ok in this case. We just need to timestamp
> > something that we know for sure happened after the PHC timestamp. It
> > should have no impact on the offset and its stability, just the
> > reported delay. A test with phc2sys should be able to confirm that.
> > phc2sys selects the measurement with the shortest delay, which has
> > least uncertainty. I'd say that applies to both interrupt and polling.
> >
> > If it is difficult to specify the minimum interrupt delay, I'd still
> > prefer an overly pessimistic interval assuming a zero delay.
> >
> Currently I do not see the benefit from this. The original intention was to
> compensate for the remaining offset as good as possible.

That's ok, but IMHO the change should not break the assumptions of
existing application and users.

> The current code
> of phc2sys uses the delay only for the filtering of the measurement record
> with the shortest delay and for reporting and statistics. Why not simple shift
> the timestamps with the offset to the point where we expect the PHC timestamp
> to be captured, and we have a very good result compared to where we came
> from.

Because those reports/statistics are important in calculation of
maximum error. If someone had a requirement for a clock to be accurate
to 1.5 microseconds and the ioctl returned a delay indicating a
sufficient accuracy when in reality it could be worse, that would be a
problem.

BTW, phc2sys is not the only user of the ioctl.

-- 
Miroslav Lichvar

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-21  8:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-20  8:48 [PATCH net-next v3 0/4] Improve phc2sys precision for mv88e6xxx switch in combination with imx6-fec Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-20  8:48 ` [PATCH net-next v3 1/4] net: mdio: add support for passing a PTP system timestamp to the mii_bus driver Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-20  8:48 ` [PATCH net-next v3 2/4] net: mdio: add PTP offset compensation to mdiobus_write_sts Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-20  9:49   ` Miroslav Lichvar
2019-08-20 12:29     ` Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-20 14:25       ` Miroslav Lichvar
2019-08-20 15:23         ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-20 15:40           ` Miroslav Lichvar
2019-08-20 16:56             ` Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-21  8:07               ` Miroslav Lichvar [this message]
2019-08-21  9:53                 ` Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-21 10:19                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-08-21 10:19                   ` Miroslav Lichvar
2019-08-20 13:26     ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-20  8:48 ` [PATCH net-next v3 3/4] net: dsa: mv88e6xxx: extend PTP gettime function to read system clock Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-20  8:48 ` [PATCH net-next v3 4/4] net: fec: add support for PTP system timestamping for MDIO devices Hubert Feurstein
2019-08-21 10:28   ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-08-22  3:49 ` [PATCH net-next v3 0/4] Improve phc2sys precision for mv88e6xxx switch in combination with imx6-fec David Miller

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