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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>,
	Jeff Kirsher <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Ertman <david.m.ertman@intel.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"nhorman@redhat.com" <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	"sassmann@redhat.com" <sassmann@redhat.com>,
	Kiran Patil <kiran.patil@intel.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Bie, Tiwei" <tiwei.bie@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [net-next v2 1/1] virtual-bus: Implementation of Virtual Bus
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 19:10:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191119231023.GN4991@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191119163147-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 04:33:40PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 03:15:47PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 01:58:42PM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:46:32PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > As always, this is all very hard to tell without actually seeing real
> > > > accelerated drivers implement this. 
> > > > 
> > > > Your patch series might be a bit premature in this regard.
> > > 
> > > Actually drivers implementing this have been posted, haven't they?
> > > See e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/804379/
> > 
> > Is that a real driver? It looks like another example quality
> > thing. 
> > 
> > For instance why do we need any of this if it has '#define
> > IFCVF_MDEV_LIMIT 1' ?
> > 
> > Surely for this HW just use vfio over the entire PCI function and be
> > done with it?
> 
> What this does is allow using it with unmodified virtio drivers
> within guests.  You won't get this with passthrough as it only
> implements parts of virtio in hardware.

I don't mean use vfio to perform passthrough, I mean to use vfio to
implement the software parts in userspace while vfio to talk to the
hardware.

  kernel -> vfio -> user space virtio driver -> qemu -> guest

Generally we don't want to see things in the kernel that can be done
in userspace, and to me, at least for this driver, this looks
completely solvable in userspace.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-19 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-15 22:33 [net-next v2 1/1] virtual-bus: Implementation of Virtual Bus Jeff Kirsher
2019-11-15 23:25 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19  3:58   ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19  4:31     ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19  4:39       ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19 17:46         ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19 18:39           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 17:44       ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19  4:08   ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19  4:36     ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19  6:51       ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19  7:13         ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-19  7:37           ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19 15:14             ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-20  3:15               ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20  3:38                 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-20  4:07                   ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 13:41                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21  4:06                       ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20  8:52                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 12:03                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-11-19 16:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 18:58               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-19 19:03                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 21:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-19 19:15                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-19 21:33                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-19 23:10                     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2019-11-20  0:16                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20  1:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20  3:59                           ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20  5:34                             ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 13:38                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 14:15                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 17:28                               ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-20 18:11                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 22:07                                   ` Alex Williamson
2019-11-20 22:39                                     ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-21  8:17                                       ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21  3:03                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21  4:24                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-21 13:44                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-23 16:50                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-21  7:21                                       ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21 14:17                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-22  8:45                                           ` Jason Wang
2019-11-22 18:02                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-23  4:39                                               ` Tiwei Bie
2019-11-23 23:09                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-24 11:00                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-24 14:56                                                     ` Tiwei Bie
2019-11-25  0:07                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-24 14:51                                                   ` Tiwei Bie
2019-11-24 15:07                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-25  0:09                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-25 12:59                                                       ` Jason Wang
2019-11-23 16:48                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-21  5:22                                     ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21  6:59                                   ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21  3:52                               ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20  7:38                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 13:03                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 13:43                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 14:30                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 14:57                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-20 16:45                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-20 22:05                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-21  1:38                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21  4:53                                       ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20  3:29                   ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20  3:24               ` Jason Wang
2019-11-20 13:33                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-21  3:57                   ` Jason Wang
2019-11-21 15:10     ` Martin Habets
2019-11-22  9:13       ` Jason Wang
2019-11-22 16:19         ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-26 12:26           ` Martin Habets
2019-11-27 10:58             ` Jason Wang
2019-11-27 11:03               ` Jason Wang
2019-11-15 23:42 ` Parav Pandit
2019-11-18  7:48 ` Greg KH
2019-11-18 22:57   ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-19  8:04   ` Jason Wang
2019-11-19 17:50     ` Ertman, David M
2019-11-18  7:49 ` Greg KH
2019-11-18 22:55   ` Ertman, David M

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