From: Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@gmail.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, ja@ssi.bg, marcelo.leitner@gmail.com,
dsahern@gmail.com, edumazet@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] ipv6/route: only update neigh confirm time if pmtu changed
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:17:27 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191126091726.GH18865@dhcp-12-139.nay.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191122.100438.416583996458136747.davem@davemloft.net>
Hi David,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm not sure why your reply went to spam list and
I didn't receive it timely.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:04:38AM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:19:19 +0800
>
> > The reason is when we ping6 remote via gretap, we will call like
> >
> > gre_tap_xmit()
> > - ip_tunnel_xmit()
> > - tnl_update_pmtu()
> > - skb_dst_update_pmtu()
> > - ip6_rt_update_pmtu()
> > - __ip6_rt_update_pmtu()
> > - dst_confirm_neigh()
> > - ip6_confirm_neigh()
> > - __ipv6_confirm_neigh()
> > - n->confirmed = now
>
> This whole callchain violates the assumptions of the MTU update
> machinery.
>
> In this case it's just the tunneling code accounting for the
> encapsulation it is creating, and checking the MTU just in case.
>
> But the MTU update code is supposed to be invoked in response to real
> networking events that update the PMTU.
>
> So for this ip_tunnel_xmit() case, _EVEN_ if the MTU is changed, we
> should not be invoking dst_confirm_neigh() as we have no evidence
> of successful two-way communication at this point.
Thanks for the explanation. When I fixed the code, I was also wondering
if we need this neighbor confirmation. So I just moved the dst_confirm_neigh()
a little down to make sure pmtu changed. Your explanation make me clear that
we should not have this neighbor confirmation as PMTU is not a two-way
communication.
>
> We have to stop papering over the tunneling code's abuse of the PMTU
> update framework and do this properly.
Should I do other works than just remove dst_confirm_neigh() in
__ip6_rt_update_pmtu().
Thanks
Hangbin
>
> Sorry, I'm not applying this.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-11-26 9:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-11-22 6:19 [PATCH net] ipv6/route: only update neigh confirm time if pmtu changed Hangbin Liu
2019-11-22 18:04 ` David Miller
2019-11-26 9:17 ` Hangbin Liu [this message]
2019-12-03 2:11 ` [PATCHv2 net] ipv6/route: should not update neigh confirm time during PMTU update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-03 2:47 ` David Miller
2019-12-03 10:15 ` Hangbin Liu
2019-12-03 10:25 ` Hangbin Liu
2019-12-03 19:58 ` David Miller
2019-12-10 3:36 ` Hangbin Liu
2019-12-10 17:00 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 0/8] disable neigh update for tunnels during pmtu update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 1/8] net: add bool confirm_neigh parameter for dst_ops.update_pmtu Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 2/8] ip6_gre: do not confirm neighbor when do pmtu update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 3/8] gtp: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 4/8] net/dst: add new function skb_dst_update_pmtu_no_confirm Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 5/8] tunnel: do not confirm neighbor when do pmtu update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-19 17:47 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-20 2:36 ` Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 6/8] vti: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 7/8] sit: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-18 11:53 ` [PATCH net-next 8/8] net/dst: do not confirm neighbor for vxlan and geneve " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-19 17:49 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-18 12:01 ` [PATCH net-next 0/8] disable neigh update for tunnels during " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-19 17:57 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-20 2:48 ` Hangbin Liu
2019-12-19 17:53 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 1/8] net: add bool confirm_neigh parameter for dst_ops.update_pmtu Hangbin Liu
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 2/8] ip6_gre: do not confirm neighbor when do pmtu update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 3/8] gtp: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-21 18:35 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 4/8] net/dst: add new function skb_dst_update_pmtu_no_confirm Hangbin Liu
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 5/8] tunnel: do not confirm neighbor when do pmtu update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-21 18:43 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 6/8] vti: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-21 18:30 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 7/8] sit: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-20 3:25 ` [PATCHv4 net 8/8] net/dst: do not confirm neighbor for vxlan and geneve " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-21 18:38 ` Guillaume Nault
2019-12-20 16:14 ` [PATCHv4 net 0/8] disable neigh update for tunnels during " David Ahern
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 1/8] net: add bool confirm_neigh parameter for dst_ops.update_pmtu Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 2/8] ip6_gre: do not confirm neighbor when do pmtu update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 3/8] gtp: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 4/8] net/dst: add new function skb_dst_update_pmtu_no_confirm Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 5/8] tunnel: do not confirm neighbor when do pmtu update Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 6/8] vti: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 7/8] sit: " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 2:51 ` [PATCHv5 net 8/8] net/dst: do not confirm neighbor for vxlan and geneve " Hangbin Liu
2019-12-22 22:10 ` [PATCHv5 net 0/8] disable neigh update for tunnels during " Guillaume Nault
2019-12-25 6:30 ` David Miller
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