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From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, jakub.kicinski@netronome.com,
	andrew@lunn.ch, f.fainelli@gmail.com, vivien.didelot@gmail.com,
	alexandru.marginean@nxp.com, claudiu.manoil@nxp.com,
	xiaoliang.yang_1@nxp.com, yangbo.lu@nxp.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com,
	horatiu.vultur@microchip.com,
	Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] net: phylink: call mac_an_restart for SGMII/QSGMII inband interfaces too
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:25:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191217232515.GR25745@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191217221831.10923-4-olteanv@gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 12:18:26AM +0200, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> From: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
> 
> It doesn't quite make sense why restarting the AN process should be
> unique to 802.3z (1000Base-X) modes. It is valid to put an SGMII PCS in
> in-band AN mode, therefore also make PHYLINK re-trigger an
> auto-negotiation if needed.

The question I'd ask is how is that actually achieved on the link?

It makes sense for 1000base-X because either end can drop the ACK bit
to cause a renegotiation to occur, but it makes no sense for SGMII.

In SGMII:
1) there is no advertisement from the MAC to the PHY
2) the PHY is merely informing the MAC of the results of negotiation

Attempting to trigger a renegotiation at the MAC end does nothing
useful for SGMII, it doesn't cause the PHY to renegotiate with its
link partner.

The whole point of SGMII over 1000base-X is that the PHY informs the
MAC using in-band signalling what the results of negotiation were on
the media side of the PHY. SGMII provides no way to control the
advertisement.

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-17 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-17 22:18 [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Convert Felix DSA switch to PHYLINK Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] mii: Add helpers for parsing SGMII auto-negotiation Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-18 18:50   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-12-19  9:10     ` Andrew Lunn
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/8] net: phylink: make QSGMII a valid PHY mode for in-band AN Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] net: phylink: call mac_an_restart for SGMII/QSGMII inband interfaces too Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-17 23:25   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin [this message]
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/8] enetc: Make MDIO accessors more generic and export to include/linux/fsl Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-17 23:39   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/8] enetc: Set MDIO_CFG_HOLD to the recommended value of 2 Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/8] net: mscc: ocelot: make phy_mode a member of the common struct ocelot_port Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/8] net: mscc: ocelot: export ANA, DEV and QSYS registers to include/soc/mscc Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-17 22:18 ` [RFC PATCH v2 8/8] net: dsa: felix: Add PCS operations for PHYLINK Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-18 10:40 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Convert Felix DSA switch to PHYLINK Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-12-18 13:21   ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-12-18 13:29     ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-12-18 15:00       ` Alexandru Marginean
2019-12-18 17:22         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-12-18 20:15           ` Alexandru Marginean
2019-12-18 23:21             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2019-12-19 11:38               ` Alexandru Marginean

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