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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:14:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200220151412.GV23930@mellanox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200220061141.29390-4-jasowang@redhat.com>

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 02:11:39PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> vDPA device is a device that uses a datapath which complies with the
> virtio specifications with vendor specific control path. vDPA devices
> can be both physically located on the hardware or emulated by
> software. vDPA hardware devices are usually implemented through PCIE
> with the following types:
> 
> - PF (Physical Function) - A single Physical Function
> - VF (Virtual Function) - Device that supports single root I/O
>   virtualization (SR-IOV). Its Virtual Function (VF) represents a
>   virtualized instance of the device that can be assigned to different
>   partitions
> - ADI (Assignable Device Interface) and its equivalents - With
>   technologies such as Intel Scalable IOV, a virtual device (VDEV)
>   composed by host OS utilizing one or more ADIs. Or its equivalent
>   like SF (Sub function) from Mellanox.
> 
> From a driver's perspective, depends on how and where the DMA
> translation is done, vDPA devices are split into two types:
> 
> - Platform specific DMA translation - From the driver's perspective,
>   the device can be used on a platform where device access to data in
>   memory is limited and/or translated. An example is a PCIE vDPA whose
>   DMA request was tagged via a bus (e.g PCIE) specific way. DMA
>   translation and protection are done at PCIE bus IOMMU level.
> - Device specific DMA translation - The device implements DMA
>   isolation and protection through its own logic. An example is a vDPA
>   device which uses on-chip IOMMU.
> 
> To hide the differences and complexity of the above types for a vDPA
> device/IOMMU options and in order to present a generic virtio device
> to the upper layer, a device agnostic framework is required.
> 
> This patch introduces a software vDPA bus which abstracts the
> common attributes of vDPA device, vDPA bus driver and the
> communication method (vdpa_config_ops) between the vDPA device
> abstraction and the vDPA bus driver. This allows multiple types of
> drivers to be used for vDPA device like the virtio_vdpa and vhost_vdpa
> driver to operate on the bus and allow vDPA device could be used by
> either kernel virtio driver or userspace vhost drivers as:
> 
>    virtio drivers  vhost drivers
>           |             |
>     [virtio bus]   [vhost uAPI]
>           |             |
>    virtio device   vhost device
>    virtio_vdpa drv vhost_vdpa drv
>              \       /
>             [vDPA bus]
>                  |
>             vDPA device
>             hardware drv
>                  |
>             [hardware bus]
>                  |
>             vDPA hardware

I still don't like this strange complexity, vhost should have been
layered on top of the virtio device instead of adding an extra bus
just for vdpa.

However, I don't see any technical problems with this patch now.

Thanks,
Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-20 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-20  6:11 [PATCH V4 0/5] vDPA support Jason Wang
2020-02-20  6:11 ` [PATCH V4 1/5] vhost: factor out IOTLB Jason Wang
2020-02-20  6:11 ` [PATCH V4 2/5] vringh: IOTLB support Jason Wang
2020-02-20  6:11 ` [PATCH V4 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus Jason Wang
2020-02-20 15:14   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2020-02-21  7:54     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-24  6:14   ` Harpreet Singh Anand
2020-02-24  6:48     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-20  6:11 ` [PATCH V4 4/5] virtio: introduce a vDPA based transport Jason Wang
2020-02-20 15:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-21  8:06     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-20  6:11 ` [PATCH V4 5/5] vdpasim: vDPA device simulator Jason Wang
2020-02-20 15:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-21  7:57     ` Jason Wang
2020-02-26  6:12       ` Jason Wang
2020-02-26 17:19         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-21  8:33   ` Harpreet Singh Anand
2020-02-21  8:50     ` Jason Wang

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