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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
Cc: "Maciej Fijalkowski" <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
	"Jubran, Samih" <sameehj@amazon.com>,
	"Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, zorik@amazon.com, akiyano@amazon.com,
	gtzalik@amazon.com, "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"David Ahern" <dsahern@gmail.com>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	"Lorenzo Bianconi" <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn.topel@intel.com>,
	kuba@kernel.org, brouer@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v1 05/15] ixgbe: add XDP frame size to driver
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 22:44:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200320224437.10ef858c@carbon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKgT0UeV7OHsu=E11QVrQ-HvUe83-ZL2Mo+CKg5Bw4v8REEoew@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:23:09 -0700
Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:04 PM Maciej Fijalkowski
> <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 06:29:33PM +0100, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:  
> > > The ixgbe driver uses different memory models depending on PAGE_SIZE at
> > > compile time. For PAGE_SIZE 4K it uses page splitting, meaning for
> > > normal MTU frame size is 2048 bytes (and headroom 192 bytes).  
> >
> > To be clear the 2048 is the size of buffer given to HW and we slice it up
> > in a following way:
> > - 192 bytes dedicated for headroom
> > - 1500 is max allowed MTU for this setup
> > - 320 bytes for tailroom (skb shinfo)
> >
> > In case you go with higher MTU then 3K buffer would be used and it would
> > came from order1 page and we still do the half split. Just FYI all of this
> > is for PAGE_SIZE == 4k and L1$ size == 64.  
> 
> True, but for most people this is the most common case since these are
> the standard for x86.
> 
> > > For PAGE_SIZE larger than 4K, driver advance its rx_buffer->page_offset
> > > with the frame size "truesize".  
> >
> > Alex, couldn't we base the truesize here somehow on ixgbe_rx_bufsz() since
> > these are the sizes that we are passing to hw? I must admit I haven't been
> > in touch with systems with PAGE_SIZE > 4K.  
> 
> With a page size greater than 4K we can actually get many more uses
> out of a page by using the frame size to determine the truesize of the
> packet. The truesize is the memory footprint currently being held by
> the packet. So once the packet is filled we just have to add the
> headroom and tailroom to whatever the hardware wrote instead of having
> to use what we gave to the hardware. That gives us better efficiency,
> if we used ixgbe_rx_bufsz() we would penalize small packets and that
> in turn would likely hurt performance.
> 
> > >
> > > When driver enable XDP it uses build_skb() which provides the necessary
> > > tailroom for XDP-redirect.  
> >
> > We still allow to load XDP prog when ring is not using build_skb(). I have
> > a feeling that we should drop this case now.
> >
> > Alex/John/Bjorn WDYT?  
> 
> The comment Jesper had about using using build_skb() when XDP is in
> use is incorrect. The two are not correlated. The underlying buffer is
> the same, however we drop the headroom and tailroom if we are in
> _RX_LEGACY mode. We default to build_skb and the option of switching
> to legacy Rx is controlled via the device private flags.

Thanks for catching that.

> However with that said the change itself is mostly harmless, and
> likely helps to resolve issues that would be seen if somebody were to
> enable XDP while having the RX_LEGACY flag set.

So what is the path forward(?).  Are you/Intel okay with disallowing
XDP when the RX_LEGACY flag is set?

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer


  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-20 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-17 17:29 [PATCH RFC v1 00/15] XDP extend with knowledge of frame size Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 01/15] xdp: add frame size to xdp_buff Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 20:42   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-18  6:58     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 02/15] mvneta: add XDP frame size to driver Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 03/15] bnxt: " Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-20 19:22   ` Andy Gospodarek
2020-03-23 14:18   ` Andy Gospodarek
2020-03-23 14:44     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 04/15] ixgbe: fix XDP redirect on archs with PAGE_SIZE above 4K Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 05/15] ixgbe: add XDP frame size to driver Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-18 20:03   ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2020-03-18 21:23     ` Alexander Duyck
2020-03-20 21:44       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2020-03-20 22:37         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 06/15] sfc: fix XDP-redirect in this driver Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 07/15] sfc: add XDP frame size Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 08/15] xdp: allow bpf_xdp_adjust_tail() to grow packet size Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 09/15] xdp: clear grow memory in bpf_xdp_adjust_tail() Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 20:38   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-18  9:15   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-18 10:25     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-19  5:35       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-17 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC v1 10/15] net: XDP-generic determining XDP frame size Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:30 ` [PATCH RFC v1 11/15] xdp: xdp_frame add member frame_sz and handle in convert_to_xdp_frame Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:30 ` [PATCH RFC v1 12/15] xdp: cpumap redirect use frame_sz and increase skb_tailroom Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:30 ` [PATCH RFC v1 13/15] tun: add XDP frame size Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:30 ` [PATCH RFC v1 14/15] veth: xdp using frame_sz in veth driver Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-03-17 17:30 ` [PATCH RFC v1 15/15] dpaa2-eth: add XDP frame size Jesper Dangaard Brouer

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